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Hubble's Law in the Quran long before Hubble's own discovery
January 5, 2018 at 4:48 am
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RE: Hubble's Law in the Quran long before Hubble's own discovery
January 5, 2018 at 5:42 am
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RE: Hubble's Law in the Quran long before Hubble's own discovery
January 5, 2018 at 5:59 am
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RE: Hubble's Law in the Quran long before Hubble's own discovery
January 5, 2018 at 6:05 am
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RE: Hubble's Law in the Quran long before Hubble's own discovery
January 5, 2018 at 6:21 am
God stretched the heavens (sky) is the interpretation. Look at the sky. Its clearly wide to the naked eye. Its the same thing the Bible says, btw. No miracle here.
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RE: Hubble's Law in the Quran long before Hubble's own discovery
January 5, 2018 at 6:22 am
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(January 5, 2018 at 6:05 am)Aoi Magi Wrote: (January 5, 2018 at 5:59 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: I'm Arabic. So I will give literal translation of the Arabic verse:
و السماء بنيناها بأيد و إنا لموسعون
و السماء=And the heavens -literally-
بنيناها=We have built it
بأيد=With our hands
وإنا لموسعون=And we expand
That's the literal translation; no translators or websites for translation.
The language defies the interpretation you provided; and once again we witness how ignorant Sunni and Shiite scholars feed wrong translations everywhere.
So based on your translation:
1) Allah is in outer space? so within our universe?
2) Allah's "hands" are dark matter?
3) We float around in outer space after we die? and we should be grateful for that?
1) I believe that all of outer space is just one heaven; AKA the lowest heaven:
Quote:Sura 67, The Quran:
( 3 ) [And] who created seven heavens in layers. You do not see in the creation of the Most Merciful any inconsistency. So return [your] vision [to the sky]; do you see any breaks?
We inhabit the lowest of the skies.
2-God is everywhere.
Quote:Sura 57, The Quran:
( 4 ) It is He who created the heavens and earth in six days and then established Himself above the Throne. He knows what penetrates into the earth and what emerges from it and what descends from the heaven and what ascends therein; and He is with you wherever you are. And Allah, of what you do, is Seeing.
His hands are literally a metaphor. If he is everywhere, then what is he? a force? a material? I don't know.
There is this interesting verse, though:
Quote:Sura 6, The Quran:
( 103 ) Vision perceives Him not, but He perceives [all] vision; and He is the Subtle, the Acquainted.
3-Yes. Life is a beautiful thing, but in general, but this life is so ugly, full of death and misery, it's a test that's why. There is another universe coming. Some theists call it the afterlife, science even predicted it in some theories about parallel universes, and the Quran promised it will come:
Quote:Sura 14, The Quran:
( 48 ) [It will be] on the Day the earth will be replaced by another earth, and the heavens [as well], and all creatures will come out before Allah, the One, the Prevailing.
(January 5, 2018 at 6:21 am)Grandizer Wrote: God stretched the heavens (sky) is the interpretation. Look at the sky. Its clearly wide to the naked eye. Its the same thing the Bible says, btw. No miracle here.
In the verse, the word is "expand"=موسع
Expanding is not "stretching"=شد
In other words; you can say in Arabic:
البنطلون مشدود
The pants are stretched
But it will mean something totally different if you used "expand":
البنطلون موسع
The pants are expanded
Actually; if I go to a clothe shop and I want to "tighten my pants" I will never use the word "expand".
Heavens are expanding. Not shrinking. That's why theories like "The Big Freeze" are there.
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RE: Hubble's Law in the Quran long before Hubble's own discovery
January 5, 2018 at 6:35 am
(January 5, 2018 at 6:22 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: (January 5, 2018 at 6:05 am)Aoi Magi Wrote: So based on your translation:
1) Allah is in outer space? so within our universe?
2) Allah's "hands" are dark matter?
3) We float around in outer space after we die? and we should be grateful for that?
1) I believe that all of outer space is just one heaven; AKA the lowest heaven:
Quote:Sura 67, The Quran:
( 3 ) [And] who created seven heavens in layers. You do not see in the creation of the Most Merciful any inconsistency. So return [your] vision [to the sky]; do you see any breaks?
We inhabit the lowest of the skies.
2-God is everywhere.
Quote:Sura 57, The Quran:
( 4 ) It is He who created the heavens and earth in six days and then established Himself above the Throne. He knows what penetrates into the earth and what emerges from it and what descends from the heaven and what ascends therein; and He is with you wherever you are. And Allah, of what you do, is Seeing.
His hands are literally a metaphor. If he is everywhere, then what is he? a force? a material? I don't know.
There is this interesting verse, though:
Quote:Sura 6, The Quran:
( 103 ) Vision perceives Him not, but He perceives [all] vision; and He is the Subtle, the Acquainted.
3-Yes. Life is a beautiful thing, but in general, but this life is so ugly, full of death and misery, it's a test that's why. There is another universe coming. Some theists call it the afterlife, science even predicted it in some theories about parallel universes, and the Quran promised it will come:
Quote:Sura 14, The Quran:
( 48 ) [It will be] on the Day the earth will be replaced by another earth, and the heavens [as well], and all creatures will come out before Allah, the One, the Prevailing.
(January 5, 2018 at 6:21 am)Grandizer Wrote: God stretched the heavens (sky) is the interpretation. Look at the sky. Its clearly wide to the naked eye. Its the same thing the Bible says, btw. No miracle here.
In the verse, the word is "expand"=موسع
Expanding is not "stretching"=شد
In other words; you can say in Arabic:
البنطلون مشدود
The pants are stretched
But it will mean something totally different if you used "expand":
البنطلون موسع
The pants are expanded
Actually; if I go to a clothe shop and I want to "tighten my pants" I will never use the word "expand".
Heavens are expanding. Not shrinking. That's why theories like "The Big Freeze" are there.
To be precise, it means widened AFAIK. Wase3 = wide. I know Arabic, too. At least today's Arabic, and not the archaic Quranic Arabic.
Still, you didn't really address what I said in previous post. It doesn't matter if it's "stretched" or "widened", there's no miracle in there.
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RE: Hubble's Law in the Quran long before Hubble's own discovery
January 5, 2018 at 6:43 am
Atlas, can I come to your mosque and preach sex, drugs, and rock and roll?
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RE: Hubble's Law in the Quran long before Hubble's own discovery
January 5, 2018 at 7:08 am
Hehehe.
The word is "expanse".
It's locally accepted as meaning: "for it is We Who create the vastness of Space."
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RE: Hubble's Law in the Quran long before Hubble's own discovery
January 5, 2018 at 7:16 am
Not Hubble's Law! What a laugh! Allah still did not know more than his illiterate merchant warlord creator.
God thinks it's fun to confuse primates. Larsen's God!
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