Hubble's Law in the Quran long before Hubble's own discovery

[Mister Agenda]

Well according to my translation.

Sura 51, verse 47:

"We with power and skill
Did  construct
The firmament :
For it is We Who create
The vastness of Space."

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Ok so I did some searching and found out why our interpretations differ.

https://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index...ic=16572.0

I'm Arabic. So I will give literal translation of the Arabic verse:

و السماء بنيناها بأيد و إنا لموسعون

و السماء=And the heavens -literally-
بنيناها=We have built it
بأيد=With our hands
وإنا لموسعون=And we shall expand/ and we are its expanders (Literally; you either pick the first meaning or the second, it won't change the meaning).

That's the literal translation; no translators or websites for translation.
The language defies the interpretation you provided; and once again we witness how ignorant Sunni and Shiite scholars feed wrong translations everywhere.

Still, no English translation said 'expand' until after Hubble's discovery. Funny how the translators couldn't figure out the correct translation until non-Muslim scientists found evidence of expansion.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Atlas is a poe.

No he is not. I like him. I also like Catholic lady. But in both cases, I say the same thing. "That was then this is now". Humans made horrible guesses back then, and it turned into religion. But today, because most humans get sold religion at birth old habits are hard to break. The thought of being finite for most humans frightens them. I don't think it should, but it does, and that fear ends up in the form of religion.

I think most humans are good, even though I think their logic sucks.

I'll still take a liberal theist over a conservative hate filled nutcase, and they exist in every religion.

He sounds as bad as a drunk poe. Preaching in my house.

[Brian37]

No he is not. I like him. I also like Catholic lady. But in both cases, I say the same thing. "That was then this is now". Humans made horrible guesses back then, and it turned into religion. But today, because most humans get sold religion at birth old habits are hard to break. The thought of being finite for most humans frightens them. I don't think it should, but it does, and that fear ends up in the form of religion.

I think most humans are good, even though I think their logic sucks.

I'll still take a liberal theist over a conservative hate filled nutcase, and they exist in every religion.

He sounds as bad as a drunk poe. Preaching in my house.

Not to me. Mystic is far more dreamy eyed to me. Atlass33 at least goes after his own, even CL does. 

I simply see Atlass33 has being conflicted but like most liberal theists, have a hard time with cognitive dissonance. I've seen far worse far right Christians. Atlass33 isn't a conservative from what I see. I still don't agree that his God exists, but he isn't an Isis member anymore than CL is a KKK member.

[downbeatplumb]

The verse says:

Sura 51, The Quran:
( 47 )   And the heaven We constructed with hands, and indeed, We are expanding.

Sura 42, The Quran:
( 1 )   Ha, Meem.
( 2 )   'Ayn, Seen, Qaf.
( 3 )   Thus has He revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and to those before you - Allah, the Exalted in Might, the Wise.
( 4 )   To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth, and He is the Most High, the Most Great.
( 5 )   The heavens almost break from above them, and the angels exalt [Allah] with praise of their Lord and ask forgiveness for those on earth. Unquestionably, it is Allah who is the Forgiving, the Merciful.
( 6 )   And those who take as allies other than Him - Allah is [yet] Guardian over them; and you, [O Muhammad], are not over them a manager.

Things "break" when they are "expanded"?

How did Mohammed know that heaven was expanding?
If we assumed ignorance and lying of the author of the Quran; why would they refer explicitly to such a fact?
Even a nomad Muslim in the desert 1400 years ago, would know that the skies (universe) is expanding. Not just that; actually saying otherwise defies the verse above.
The universe is expanding, by the direct statement of verse 47 of Sura 51 in the Quran, and the implicit referring by verse 5 of Sura 42

Long before Hubble's discovery. 1400 years approximately.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble%27s_law

Hubble's law is considered the first observational basis for the expansion of the universe

The verse in Arabic:

والسماء بنيناها بأيد وإنا لموسعون

If you write anything vague enough you can get it fit any outcome. Its what mediums do to fool their audience.

[Minimalist]

Skeptics Annotated koran

51:47 We have built the heaven with might, and We it is Who make the vast extent (thereof).

Apparently this shit means whatever the translator wants it to mean.  Which makes it like all other theistic horseshit.

[AFTT47]

Italian philosopher Giordano Bruno correctly proclaimed that stars were distant suns with their own planets - in the 16th century. Does this demonstrate he had divine knowledge?

[Minimalist]

Hell he didn't even know that would get his ass roasted by the fucking church.

[Whateverist]

I wonder if a moderator can move this to the humor subform. Pretty sure Atlas is just pulling our chains. Good one, Atlas.

[vulcanlogician]

Italian philosopher Giordano Bruno correctly proclaimed that stars were distant suns with their own planets - in the 16th century. Does this demonstrate he had divine knowledge?

Wow. Hadn't heard of this guy, but I looked him up. 

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/outthe...lAMT1WnGM8

He was no scientist. He used his  (very correct) guess about the nature of stars to advance his own (heretical) theology. He was eventually burned at the stake. Was it because of his revolutionary ideas about the cosmos? Or was it about his heretical theology? Neither.

The church burned people at the stake for disagreeing with them. He disagreed. That's why.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I'm neither an astrophysicist nor a Quranic scholar but I'm sure two things:

1.  Hubble's Law is a mathematical expression.

2.  This expression appears no where in the Quran.

Boru