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Bill Maher's take on #MeToo
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Bill Maher's take on #MeToo
I lean to agreeing with his assessment.

One think I love about liberals, BOTH theists and atheist liberals, is our INTENT. But in that good intent, sometimes I think we end up becoming so ridged it becomes counter productive.

We can make this about sexual assault, but in other crimes, such as robbery and even murder, we have in those DIFFERENT DEGREES. You have for example, involuntary manslaughter vs 1rst degree pre meditated murder. Just like we don't treat purse snatching which is robbery, the same as we would if someone stuck a gun to your face and demanded your wallet, or worse, getting shot and then having your wallet taken.

I support the #metoo and #timesup movement. I am for equality and minority rights. But I do not want to see that good intent become the same ridged mentality that the far right does in trying to shut down the conversation.

Females are NOT here for men, they are here because of evolution, just like men. Females ARE equal to men, and can be in leadership roles and even primary bread winners. If a female says no, we agree that means NO! But that recognition cannot be so ridged as to ignore distinctions. Working on progress to make a better environment for all, cannot be had by employing blanket solutions. "All or nothing" has never worked in maintaining an open society.

Political Correctness is what North Korea is. Political Correctness is what Saudi Arabia and Iran look like. I simply do not want to see OUR good intent as liberals play into the hands of the right wing and give them cover. Even outside the issue of sexual Harassment and sexual assault, I think sometimes liberals don't realize the cover they give to the far right by insisting on blanket solutions. 



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RE: Bill Maher's take on #MeToo
I am by no means a fan of Maher but he makes some good points sometimes.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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RE: Bill Maher's take on #MeToo
(January 22, 2018 at 10:35 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I am by no means a fan of Maher but he makes some good points sometimes.

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RE: Bill Maher's take on #MeToo
This is a better example of what I was talking about in the 'shithole' thread about the liberals who control the social narrative being really awful at picking battles.

Almost everyone is on board with the idea that sexual violence is bad. But somehow they take it to a place that is so indefensible, they end up fighting with Matt Damon and Bill Maher.

Over and over, they take a position that is generally reasonable/popular, but then keep tacking on nonsense, until they've alienated everyone willing to do any critical thinking. And because they are bad at math, they say "Fuck 'em, we don't need those jerks." because they have no idea their dopiness has whittled their groups support down to 25% of the population.
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RE: Bill Maher's take on #MeToo
(January 22, 2018 at 11:23 am)wallym Wrote: This is a better example of what I was talking about in the 'shithole' thread about the liberals who control the social narrative being really awful at picking battles.

Almost everyone is on board with the idea that sexual violence is bad.  But somehow they take it to a place that is so indefensible, they end up fighting with Matt Damon and Bill Maher.

Over and over, they take a position that is generally reasonable/popular, but then keep tacking on nonsense, until they've alienated everyone willing to do any critical thinking.  And because they are bad at math, they say "Fuck 'em, we don't need those jerks." because they have no idea their dopiness has whittled their groups support down to 25% of the population.

HOLY NON SEQUITUR BATMAN

BULLSHIT!

CONTEXT MATTERS, and in the CONTEXT of his 5 year history of scapegoating and vilifying EVERYONE, he did not mean "some countries are worse off economically", he is a fucking racist.

5 years of vilifying Obama
Over a year now of vilifying both Mexicans and Arabs
SHITTING ON war heros
Shitting on his own intel
Shitting on the free press.

THIS had NOTHING to do with lagit criticism. 

Of course some countries are worse off economically, but even then, it is CRUEL and inhuman to say nobody from those countries should be allowed to migrate here. THAT IS FUCKING BULLSHIT. 45 is simply mentally stuck back in the madman days his daddy sold him. This has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with anything pragmatic.

Between the end of WW1 and WW2 Germany was a "shithole" but in spite of that, many migrants fled and ended up contributing to western society. 

And you don't even have to look past Puerto Rico, WHOM 45 HAS SHIT ON TOO, which is PART OF AMERICA, to know this has nothing to do with a poor nation and everything to do with his BULLSHIT BIGOTRY.
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RE: Bill Maher's take on #MeToo
(January 22, 2018 at 11:38 am)Brian37 Wrote:
(January 22, 2018 at 11:23 am)wallym Wrote: This is a better example of what I was talking about in the 'shithole' thread about the liberals who control the social narrative being really awful at picking battles.

Almost everyone is on board with the idea that sexual violence is bad.  But somehow they take it to a place that is so indefensible, they end up fighting with Matt Damon and Bill Maher.

Over and over, they take a position that is generally reasonable/popular, but then keep tacking on nonsense, until they've alienated everyone willing to do any critical thinking.  And because they are bad at math, they say "Fuck 'em, we don't need those jerks." because they have no idea their dopiness has whittled their groups support down to 25% of the population.

HOLY NON SEQUITUR BATMAN

... 

The main idea of my post is "Liberals who control the social narrative being really awful at picking battles."  It isn't a non-sequitur, because the Bill Maher video is about the "Liberals who control the social narrative picking an awful battle."  I only referenced the "Shithole" thread (not the shithole issue), because that's where I recently brought up the topic of "Liberals who control the social narrative being really awful at picking battles."  Your initial post is also adjacent to the idea as you say (paraphrased) "Liberals who control the social narrative insist on blanket solutions which causes problems."  Which I think could be interpreted as "Liberals who control the social narrative insist on picking awful battles."  

This was just a better example than any I came up with in the other thread, because it's one that is more universally seen as an 'awful battle.'  You, me, CL, Bill Maher, and Matt Damon all are in agreement.  That says something about the quality of a position if that group of 5 people all think it's lousy.  And it's absurd.  Because the topic is sexual violence.  All 5 of us want to be on their side.  So you can imagine how stupid something has to be to alienate people when you're the anti-sexual violence side.
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RE: Bill Maher's take on #MeToo
It's not an "awful battle" it is merely an example that no matter how clear the cause there are some people who take things too far.  You know the type.  Nazi loving shithead presidents who think that stormtroopers who drive their cars into crowds of demonstrators are "good people."

How come when its an arab who does it the same shitball president that you love calls them "terrorists?"
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RE: Bill Maher's take on #MeToo
I think it's a sad state of affairs when we're asking ourselves "is sexual harassment as bad as sexual assault" as though it were a profound comment on the "liberal narrative" that both are fucking shitty. It only shows that a person is clueless.

Matt Damon, lol..one of my favorites...but the guy is a goober, lol. Yes...MaaaaaaatDaaamon, grabbing somebodies ass isn;t as bad as running a rape train on her with all your buddies. I;m glad we're all clear on that and we have that superimportant discussion well and truly handled so I guess it's all over now. We can all go back to enjoying movies again.
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RE: Bill Maher's take on #MeToo
(January 22, 2018 at 1:03 pm)wallym Wrote:
(January 22, 2018 at 11:38 am)Brian37 Wrote: HOLY NON SEQUITUR BATMAN

... 

The main idea of my post is "Liberals who control the social narrative being really awful at picking battles."  It isn't a non-sequitur, because the Bill Maher video is about the "Liberals who control the social narrative picking an awful battle."  I only referenced the "Shithole" thread (not the shithole issue), because that's where I recently brought up the topic of "Liberals who control the social narrative being really awful at picking battles."  Your initial post is also adjacent to the idea as you say (paraphrased) "Liberals who control the social narrative insist on blanket solutions which causes problems."  Which I think could be interpreted as "Liberals who control the social narrative insist on picking awful battles."  

This was just a better example than any I came up with in the other thread, because it's one that is more universally seen as an 'awful battle.'  You, me, CL, Bill Maher, and Matt Damon all are in agreement.  That says something about the quality of a position if that group of 5 people all think it's lousy.  And it's absurd.  Because the topic is sexual violence.  All 5 of us want to be on their side.  So you can imagine how stupid something has to be to alienate people when you're the anti-sexual violence side.

UM NO, what is horrible is having to put up with right wing bullshit.
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RE: Bill Maher's take on #MeToo
(January 22, 2018 at 1:08 pm)Minimalist Wrote: It's not an "awful battle" it is merely an example that no matter how clear the cause there are some people who take things too far.  You know the type.  Nazi loving shithead presidents who think that stormtroopers who drive their cars into crowds of demonstrators are "good people."

How come when its an arab who does it the same shitball president that you love calls them "terrorists?"

This is one of those silly disingenuous things.  He said there were some good people on both sides.  Not that all the people on both sides are good people.  What's the point of you repeating that misrepresentation?  I get that as a national narrative, the Demcorats want to paint the president as pro nazi murderer for voter turnout and confusing old ladies and such.  But why do you say it to me?  Do you think I'm going to be tricked?  I assume you're not a confused old lady which means we both know your characterization of the remarks isn't real, and there isn't really an audience.  So what's the motivation?

Trump on driver:   "The driver of the car is a disgrace to himself, his family, and his country. You can call it terrorism. You can call it murder. You can call it whatever you want... And then you get into legal semantics. The driver of the car is a murderer, and what he did is a horrible thing."

(January 22, 2018 at 1:25 pm)Brian37 Wrote: UM NO, what is horrible is having to put up with right wing bullshit.


Exactly.  You don't want to put up with right wing bullshit.  That's the point.  This sort of nonsense helps the right gain/stay in power.  

As a wise man once said:  "Even outside the issue of sexual Harassment and sexual assault, I think sometimes liberals don't realize the cover they give to the far right by insisting on blanket solutions."
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