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RE: Which is grammatically more right - "red new car" or "new red car"
January 22, 2018 at 11:09 am
(January 22, 2018 at 10:49 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: Quote:When more than one adjective comes before a noun, the adjectives are normally in a particular order. Adjectives which describe opinions or attitudes (e.g. amazing) usually come first, before more neutral, factual ones (e.g. red):
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/grammar...ives-order
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I've never thought about adjective order... but apparently it's a thing. Fourteen years at Purdue and nobody cared.
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RE: Which is grammatically more right - "red new car" or "new red car"
January 22, 2018 at 11:21 am
(January 22, 2018 at 11:07 am)Grandizer Wrote: (January 22, 2018 at 10:49 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/grammar...ives-order
I've never thought about adjective order... but apparently it's a thing.
So it's new red car then. Just as I thought.
Is it though?
Getting a 'new red car' implies that there is an 'old red car'.
I suspect that in this case 'new' might not refer to age but instead refer to origin... I have a red, recently purchased (or rented), car.
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RE: Which is grammatically more right - "red new car" or "new red car"
January 22, 2018 at 11:32 am
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(January 22, 2018 at 11:07 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: I say go with what sounds right. Yeah, I for one, am not going to bust out this handy-dandy guide every time I need to list adjectives. I'd rather be "wrong" on occasion.
(January 22, 2018 at 11:21 am)DLJ Wrote: (January 22, 2018 at 11:07 am)Grandizer Wrote: So it's new red car then. Just as I thought.
Is it though?
Getting a 'new red car' implies that there is an 'old red car'.
I suspect that in this case 'new' might not refer to age but instead refer to origin... I have a red, recently purchased (or rented), car.
Eh... I think Grandizer had it right. And new being of origin? I think origin is like "from France" as in "funny little French hats."
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RE: Which is grammatically more right - "red new car" or "new red car"
January 22, 2018 at 12:00 pm
(January 22, 2018 at 10:34 am)pool the matey Wrote: This has been bugging me for some time.
For me the answer is "new red car" but apparently it is "red new car".
Can someone help? There should also be a proper justification with the answer for as to why it is the "more" correct one because it both looks, at least to me, equally right.
English is very, very flexible.
If asked which new car is yours, you would best answer "the red new car".
If asked which red car is yours, you would best answer "the new red car".
But both statements remain interchangeable. Have fun.
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RE: Which is grammatically more right - "red new car" or "new red car"
January 22, 2018 at 12:03 pm
(January 22, 2018 at 10:56 am)Grandizer Wrote: Pretty sure it's "new red car". Why? I think it may have something to do with the fact that "redness" is more "ingrained" in the car than its "newness". Thus "red" should be closer to "car" than "new".
Edit: Oh, so I was wrong? What??? Pool, source?
Apparently this question was asked in a prestigious exam for civil service and their stance is that "red new car" is more correct than "new red car" because according to them "new" is more important than "red" as far as the car is concerned so therefore new should come near the car.
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RE: Which is grammatically more right - "red new car" or "new red car"
January 22, 2018 at 12:05 pm
(January 22, 2018 at 12:03 pm)pool the matey Wrote: (January 22, 2018 at 10:56 am)Grandizer Wrote: Pretty sure it's "new red car". Why? I think it may have something to do with the fact that "redness" is more "ingrained" in the car than its "newness". Thus "red" should be closer to "car" than "new".
Edit: Oh, so I was wrong? What??? Pool, source?
Apparently this question was asked in a prestigious exam for civil service and their stance is that "red new car" is more correct than "new red car" because according to them "new" is more important than "red" as far as the car is concerned so therefore new should come near the car.
Was there more context to the question, Pool? (Like what Whateverist mentioned above?)
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RE: Which is grammatically more right - "red new car" or "new red car"
January 22, 2018 at 12:14 pm
(January 22, 2018 at 10:46 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Grammar was never my strong suit. But “grammatically more right” doesn’t sound correct.
What would be grammatically more correct to say then?
"grammatically righter" ?
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RE: Which is grammatically more right - "red new car" or "new red car"
January 22, 2018 at 12:22 pm
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(January 22, 2018 at 12:14 pm)Mathilda Wrote: (January 22, 2018 at 10:46 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Grammar was never my strong suit. But “grammatically more right” doesn’t sound correct.
What would be grammatically more correct to say then?
"grammatically righter" ?
I'm going with "grammatically more correct".
P.S. It's "new red car".
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RE: Which is grammatically more right - "red new car" or "new red car"
January 22, 2018 at 12:22 pm
(January 22, 2018 at 12:22 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: (January 22, 2018 at 12:14 pm)Mathilda Wrote: What would be grammatically more correct to say then?
"grammatically righter" ?
I'm going with "grammatically more correct".
P.S. It's "new red car".
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RE: Which is grammatically more right - "red new car" or "new red car"
January 22, 2018 at 12:37 pm
(January 22, 2018 at 11:21 am)DLJ Wrote: (January 22, 2018 at 11:07 am)Grandizer Wrote: So it's new red car then. Just as I thought.
Is it though?
Getting a 'new red car' implies that there is an 'old red car'.
I suspect that in this case 'new' might not refer to age but instead refer to origin... I have a red, recently purchased (or rented), car.
The car could be used, which would make it an old new red car. ("New to me.")
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