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This is why outside this forum i don't debate Politics
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This is why outside this forum i don't debate Politics
I rarely outside this forum engage in political debates . And recent online conversation reminded why i don't .Because holy fuck never have i been meet with so much ignorance  . I not going to use direct quotes because he deleted his posts but also because their long ranty anyway so your not missing much . So i will  just paraphrase his talking points and refute them  . 


1.He tries to argue that only leftist are violent but while ignoring all acts of Right Wing terrorism. And the fact that technically Islamist groups are Social Conservatives . 


2.He conflates Republican with Conservative and Democrat with Socialist . Thou their are members who are either or are centrist or hold mixed views depending on topic. 


3.He insists Socialism is Statist . While ignoring Anarcho and Socialist libertarianism   


4. He insists the Conservatism can't be Statist . While most certainly can. 


5. He denies that someone or a group can hold some Conservative and Liberal views . Political tests say otherwise . 


6. Says the Nazi's were Socalist because they had Socialist in their name . Rejects the Alt Right even though they have the word ight in their name . Ignores the fact the Nazi's the fact the Nazi's hijacked the word for branding to lure Leftists into their ranks then banned Socialism and killed most of the Socialist in Germany.  


7.  Says the Nazi's were Socialist because they hijacked some Socialist ideas. Ignore the fact that many conservatives believe in a socalist standing military a Socialist drug control policy  and a Socialist police force. Also ignores the Nazi's Social Conservative views and hatred for things like modern art .


8. Insists that because the Nazi's were hard Statists that makes them Socialists. Ignores Libertarian Socialism and the fact that Conservatives can be Statist or hold Statist views on certain topics . 


9. Selectively quotes the Nazi platform to claim it's like the modern Democratic  . While avoiding their views of immigration , Protectionism ,And military expansionism , Social Conservatism , Anti Egalitarianism, and Class .


10. Thinks Socialism is Nationalist . Ignores Anti Nationalist Socialism . Ignore Conservatism can be Nationalist. 


11. Thinks Democracy is mob rule . While ignoring most Republics are Representative Democracies . 


12. Thinks a Socialist state can't be a Republic or Democracy


13. Demands a definition of Socialism . Hates the fact i show it has competing schools of thought  and is not perfect monolith . 


14. Thinks the only kind of Capitalism is Laissez Faire or Free market .  Ignores all other forms 


15. Thinks political pluralism and holding multiple views is akin to Postmodernism . 


16. Thinks politics can be reduced to binary monoliths like computer codes .
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

Inuit Proverb

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#2
RE: This is why outside this forum i don't debate Politics
Sounds like a stand up guy. Do you know where I can send is NRA application?

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#3
RE: This is why outside this forum i don't debate Politics
No and pretty sure he already one because before our conversation he bragged about his guns .
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

Inuit Proverb

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RE: This is why outside this forum i don't debate Politics
I think Socialism is a good ideea but it can be applied just in a perfect world . When I say applied I mean everyone is satisfied with it .
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#5
RE: This is why outside this forum i don't debate Politics
I'll talk politics anywhere.
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RE: This is why outside this forum i don't debate Politics
To each his own
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

Inuit Proverb

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RE: This is why outside this forum i don't debate Politics
How exactly did you find such a fucking moron?  Were you at a Trump rally?
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RE: This is why outside this forum i don't debate Politics
....because here you know 95% of people will agree with you?

Lol. No offense ment, but it's healthy to have discussions with people who disagree with you.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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RE: This is why outside this forum i don't debate Politics
(January 30, 2018 at 7:43 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: ....because here you know 95% of people will agree with you?

Lol. No offense ment, but it's healthy to have discussions with people who disagree with you.
No because i generally don't debate online . I would much rather do other things(like read) . However even here the people i disagree with are better than elsewhere .

(January 30, 2018 at 7:26 pm)Minimalist Wrote: How exactly did you find such a fucking moron?  Were you at a Trump rally?

Another forum a friend suggested i try . It's nowhere near as good as here .
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

Inuit Proverb

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RE: This is why outside this forum i don't debate Politics
(January 30, 2018 at 7:43 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: ....because here you know 95% of people will agree with you?

Lol. No offense ment, but it's healthy to have discussions with people who disagree with you.

I agree, CL. But sometimes people are just delusional... see Victory 123's thread for a fine example... Tiz's conservative friend might be too far gone for rational debate.
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