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This is why outside this forum i don't debate Politics
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RE: This is why outside this forum i don't debate Politics
(January 30, 2018 at 7:54 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote:
(January 30, 2018 at 7:43 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: ....because here you know 95% of people will agree with you?

Lol. No offense ment, but it's healthy to have discussions with people who disagree with you.

I agree, CL. But sometimes people are just delusional... see Victory 123's thread for a fine example... Tiz's conservative friend might too far gone for rational debate.
Oh this guy was way far gone . When i used historians and political science texts  . He just decreed them all "liberal propaganda " or "Dubious " Despite some of the authors not being Liberals .
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

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#12
RE: This is why outside this forum i don't debate Politics
(January 30, 2018 at 7:58 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:
(January 30, 2018 at 7:54 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: I agree, CL. But sometimes people are just delusional... see Victory 123's thread for a fine example... Tiz's conservative friend might too far gone for rational debate.
Oh this guy was way far gone . When i used historians and political science texts  . He just decreed them all "liberal propaganda " or "Dubious " Despite some of the authors not being Liberals .
Yes, facts that might undermine his position obviously must be propaganda. Just start quoting Marx and see how he responds to that Smile
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#13
RE: This is why outside this forum i don't debate Politics
Lmao I love the logic that the National Socialists / Nazis were socialist because it was in the name. I suppose North Korea is a true Democratic republic as well.
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RE: This is why outside this forum i don't debate Politics
(January 30, 2018 at 8:03 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote:
(January 30, 2018 at 7:58 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Oh this guy was way far gone . When i used historians and political science texts  . He just decreed them all "liberal propaganda " or "Dubious " Despite some of the authors not being Liberals .
Yes, facts that might undermine his position obviously must be propaganda. Just start quoting Marx and see how he responds to that Smile

Best part of it was when he demanded direct Nazi literature on the fact the Nazi's used the term socailist to lure leftist in . As if the Nazi's would directly  confess to doing so .
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

Inuit Proverb

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#15
RE: This is why outside this forum i don't debate Politics
Tizzy, you don't argue with people like that. You respond to their points, not them. Think of it as a test, midterm maybe. Don't elevate him to personhood, keep him in his place as an annoying bug.
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RE: This is why outside this forum i don't debate Politics
(January 30, 2018 at 8:12 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Best part of it was when he demanded direct Nazi literature on the fact the Nazi's used the term socailist to lure leftist in . As if the Nazi's would directly  confess to doing so .

Before it became popular all over Germany, the base of the Nazi party (its supporters) were conservative traditionalists, not leftists. This is well-documented.
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RE: This is why outside this forum i don't debate Politics
(January 30, 2018 at 8:05 pm)Aegon Wrote: Lmao I love the logic that the National Socialists / Nazis were socialist because it was in the name. I suppose North Korea is a true Democratic republic as well.

Best part was when he tried saying tried comparing the Self indentification of Nazi's as socialist with Transgender indentification . As if we either have to take everyones word on self identification or no ones . And as pointed out he does not consider the Alt Right on The Right  even thou they claim they are . At one point during the part we were discussing violence . He tried saying the Charlottesville killer was a leftist . Even thou he was attending a rally called "Unite The Right

(January 30, 2018 at 8:16 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote:
(January 30, 2018 at 8:12 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Best part of it was when he demanded direct Nazi literature on the fact the Nazi's used the term socailist to lure leftist in . As if the Nazi's would directly  confess to doing so .

Before it became popular all over Germany, the base of the Nazi party (its supporters) were conservative traditionalists, not leftists. This is well-documented.

Yup this guy suffered the delusion that only the free market small government variety of conservatism he favors is the only variety. And that somehow conservatives  can't be statist  or believe in social programs or socialist policies .
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

Inuit Proverb

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RE: This is why outside this forum i don't debate Politics
(January 30, 2018 at 8:12 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:
(January 30, 2018 at 8:03 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: Yes, facts that might undermine his position obviously must be propaganda. Just start quoting Marx and see how he responds to that Smile

Best part of it was when he demanded direct Nazi literature on the fact the Nazi's used the term socailist to lure leftist in . As if the Nazi's would directly  confess to doing so .

There was actually a socialist branch of the NaZis, led by Gregor Strasser, and mainly based in Northern Germany.

They were purged in June of 1934, as Hitler consolidated power. But they were there.

(January 30, 2018 at 8:16 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote:
(January 30, 2018 at 8:12 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Best part of it was when he demanded direct Nazi literature on the fact the Nazi's used the term socailist to lure leftist in . As if the Nazi's would directly  confess to doing so .

Before it became popular all over Germany, the base of the Nazi party (its supporters) were conservative traditionalists, not leftists. This is well-documented.

It's rather quite the reverse. They were more leftist earlier in their party history. To be sure, there were certainly early rightists such as Ludendorff et al, and the leftist strain of NaZiism never succeeded in controlling the party, but before 1927-28, they certainly had a voice in the party platform.
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#19
RE: This is why outside this forum i don't debate Politics
You shouldn't allow someone who aggravates you that much, to rent space inside your head.
Disclaimer: I am only responsible for what I say, not what you choose to understand. 
(November 14, 2018 at 8:57 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Have a good day at work.  If we ever meet in a professional setting, let me answer your question now.  Yes, I DO want fries with that.
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RE: This is why outside this forum i don't debate Politics
(January 30, 2018 at 8:38 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
(January 30, 2018 at 8:12 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Best part of it was when he demanded direct Nazi literature on the fact the Nazi's used the term socailist to lure leftist in . As if the Nazi's would directly  confess to doing so .

There was actually a socialist branch of the NaZis, led by Gregor Strasser, and mainly based in Northern Germany.

They were purged in June of 1934, as Hitler consolidated power. But they were there.

(January 30, 2018 at 8:16 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: Before it became popular all over Germany, the base of the Nazi party (its supporters) were conservative traditionalists, not leftists. This is well-documented.

It's rather quite the reverse. They were more leftist earlier in their party history. To be sure, there were certainly early rightists such as Ludendorff et al, and the leftist strain of NaZiism never succeeded in controlling the party, but before 1927-28, they certainly had a voice in the party platform.

Okay, consider me corrected. I was referring to the groups of men who would meet very early on, when their racial theories were first developed. But I'm hardly knowledgeable about it. I working off the History Channel here. And you know what that means...


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