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The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians
January 31, 2018 at 12:52 pm
Let's see if we can make some sense out of this.
The Trinity, in the mainstream sense, refers to the one God who is three Persons, each being fully the one God, yet distinct from each other.
The Father is fully the one God.
The Son is fully the one God.
The Holy Spirit is fully the one God.
They are all one and the same God, yet three distinct Persons of God?
Of course, many of us are aware of the history behind how the Trinity doctrine came to be, but let's overlook that for the sake of argument and let's see how theists who are all about using logic can make logical sense out of this one.
Remember, the Persons of the Trinity are each the one and only God; they are not aspects/states of the one God (i.e., modalism) or three gods in one (e.g., as Mormons believe).
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RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians
January 31, 2018 at 1:04 pm
Let's ask two of them:
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians
January 31, 2018 at 1:05 pm
1+1+1 = 1
It's even shitty math.
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RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians
January 31, 2018 at 1:12 pm
The trinity is still a mystery to us. It's one of those things that are beyond our capacity to understand, and we just don't have the ability to quite wrap our heads around it. It is the same as trying to comprehend a different dimension - not something we can imagine because it is outside our laws of time/physics. That's the best logical sense we can make of it at this time.
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RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians
January 31, 2018 at 1:12 pm
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RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians
January 31, 2018 at 1:12 pm
"A wizard did it."
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians
January 31, 2018 at 1:18 pm
(January 31, 2018 at 1:12 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: The trinity is still a mystery to us. It's one of those things that are beyond our capacity to understand, and we just don't have the ability to quite wrap our heads around it. It is the same as trying to comprehend a different dimension - not something we can imagine because it is outside our laws of time/physics. That's the best logical sense we can make of it at this time.
Except it's not the same as trying to comprehend a different dimension. I can comprehend a fourth dimension just fine, (and appreciate it as logically possible) it's the visualizing part that is impossible.
The Trinity, on the other hand, I can't even conceive of as logically possible. If A, B, and C are each D, then A = B = C = D, but per Trinity doctrine, A and B and C are not equal to each other, even though they are each equal to D. Seems like it's clearly violating an axiom or two.
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RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians
January 31, 2018 at 1:21 pm
(January 31, 2018 at 1:18 pm)Grandizer Wrote: (January 31, 2018 at 1:12 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: The trinity is still a mystery to us. It's one of those things that are beyond our capacity to understand, and we just don't have the ability to quite wrap our heads around it. It is the same as trying to comprehend a different dimension - not something we can imagine because it is outside our laws of time/physics. That's the best logical sense we can make of it at this time.
Except it's not the same as trying to comprehend a different dimension. I can comprehend a fourth dimension just fine, (and appreciate it as logically possible) it's the visualizing part that is impossible.
The Trinity, on the other hand, I can't even conceive of as logically possible. If A, B, and C are each D, then A = B = C = D, but per Trinity doctrine, A and B and C are not equal to each other, even though they are each equal to D. Seems like it's clearly violating an axiom or two.
Really? That's interesting. I certainly can't comprehend a different dimension at all.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians
January 31, 2018 at 1:28 pm
It's all down to shamrocks. A shamrock has three distinct leaves, but remains one plant. Or, as Eric Idle put it, 'God is like a shamrock - small, green, and split three ways.'
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RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians
January 31, 2018 at 1:33 pm
(January 31, 2018 at 1:21 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Really? That's interesting. I certainly can't comprehend a different dimension at all.
You know, it's one thing to ask people to believe something that can't be proven. It's quite another to ask them to believe something that can't be comprehended. Who initially formulated the doctrine if he himself could not comprehend it?
"Meh, nobody understands it. Just believe it, okay?"
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