The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians

[SteveII]

[Crossless2.0]

OK, so now that we have the "official" word on the trinity, perhaps you can explain why any sane person over the age of ten should believe such palpable nonsense.

[SteveII]

From the Nicene Creed, which all mainstream Christians are to believe in if they want to avoid being called heretics.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
one in Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation,
he came down from heaven:

As you can see, it clearly says Jesus is God. So SteveII saying my description of the Trinity is wrong because I said such things as the Son is fully the one God, is not supported by the Nicene Creed itself. If SteveII himself does not follow that Creed, that doesn't change the fact that most other Christians do, and it doesn't mean that my description in the OP is wrong.

Actually it says exactly what I said: that Jesus is part of God. If you go to the other parts of the Nicene Creed, you will see that the Father and the Holy Spirit described as part of God too. Read it in its entirety and carefully, it's all there. Clearly all three are described as God.

[The Grand Nudger]

I'd like to say that I'd expect a believer to have a more complete view of christology, but that wouldn't be true.  They're predictably interested in their own cults christology t the exclusion of others.  

The nicene creed was specifically formulated for a cultural syncretism of the triune god peculiar to catholicism in the 300's.  It nevertheless remains the fact that the majority of christians do not believe in the trinity, or accept that the divine can be meaningfully split into pieces.  To them, god is whole and unviolable and one, not three.  Jesus -is- god, not a part of god. Cutting the baby in half, or in this case..thirds... is the inherent paganism in christianity talking...and that was the whole point of making the creed formal anyway..even if it can't help but drink from the same well. It's a meaningfully self refuting statement of faith, but that's the nature of faith.

[GrandizerII]

[Minimalist]

This is John we're talking about. The last thing you want to do is take what he says literally. After all, do you literally eat Jesus and drink his blood when doing the Communion?

The fucking catholicks swear that you do.

[The Grand Nudger]

It's convoluted mess, that's for sure. That's the point of the OP.

The doctrine itself may be, but the explanation for why it is so is fairly straightforward and very well evidenced.

[SteveII]

[The Grand Nudger]

Sounds like a bunch of geeks arguing about the nature of superman vis-a-vis his alter ego clark kent..to me. Are they the same person? Two people in one? Two people wholly separate but sharing the same essence™? Is it a mystery™?

[brewer]

Um.............let's see.................. there is Clark Kent, Superman and Astral Projection Superman.

Edit: Shit, 2/3 ninja'd.