Vorlon's citation on mental health

[Homeless Nutter]

For the record, I have described many of you accurately - your profanity, your anger, your hatred.

The truth hurts you.  You can't stand it.  Atheism is a lie and you people are obsessed with lies.
You traffic in them and lambaste en mass anyone who dares to cross swords with you.
The best you can do is proclaim yourselves intellectually superior and huff off, as if victorious.
It never changes.

Oh, look at the dumb little christian snowflake, trying to score points with his/her imaginary friend. No, we never heard of this "ho-lee bibel" you speak of - please tell us more. LOL... 

I'm afraid we don't have a need for another proselytizing dim-wit, thank you. Go away. Your mom probably needs you to shave her a**-crack, anyway. 

[Whateverist]

Yeah, honestly, I've tried to find this lord of which you speak. Are you sure you're not just seeing things?

[Starman]

Whateverist:

"The godless left is a totally stupid phrase."

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But "right wing religious extremists" is perfectly fine, isn't it.
And your claim that all (with a few exceptions of course) Christians are "stupid" and "anti-science" is pure genius.

You people almost never add any information when you post here. Hatred, yes. Profanity, certainly.
Condescension, always. But truth and wisdom? Where. Show me some. Please.

Here is some truth and wisdom:

"A very great deal more truth can become known than can be proven." ...
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." - Richard Feinman, quantum physicist

“Many people don’t realize that science basically involves assumptions and faith. Wonderful things in both science and religion come from our efforts based on observations, thoughtful assumptions, faith and logic. (With the findings of modern physics, it) seems extremely unlikely (that the existence of life and humanity are ) just accidental.” – Charles Townes, Nobel Laureate and Professor of Physics at UC Berkeley

“It seems to me that when confronted with the marvels of life and the universe, one must ask why and not just how. The only possible answers are religious…. I find a need for God in the universe and in my own life.” - Arthur L. Schawlow, Professor of Physics at Stanford University, winner of the Nobel Prize in physics, believes that new scientific discoveries provide compelling evidence for a personal God.

“As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about atoms this much: There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind.” ― Max Planck

There is a kind of religion in science; it is the religion of a person who believes there is order and harmony in the Universe…This religious faith of the scientist is violated by the discovery that the world had a beginning under conditions in which the known laws of physics are not valid, and as a product of forces or circumstances we cannot discover. When that happens, the scientist has lost control. If he really examined the implications, he would be traumatized. - Robert Jastrow

For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been waiting there for centuries. - Robert Jastrow

“There is no doubt that a parallel exists between the big bang as an event and the Christian notion of creation from nothing.” - Nobel Prize winner George Smoot


"Being a lover of freedom, when the (Nazi) revolution came, I looked to the universities to defend it, knowing that they had always boasted of their devotion to the cause of truth; but no, the universities were immediately silenced. Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers, whose flaming editorials in days gone by had proclaimed their love of freedom; but they,like the universities, were silenced in a few short weeks...Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler's campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration for it because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual and moral freedom. I am forced to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly." --Albert Einstein from Kampi und Zeugnis der bekennenden Kirche

"What I think the DNA material has done is to show that intelligence must have been involved in getting these extraordinarily diverse elements together. The enormous complexity by which the results were achieved look to me like the work of intelligence…. It now seems to me that the finding of more than fifty years of DNA research have provided materials for a new and enormously powerful argument to design." - Sir Anthony Flew, former prominent atheist


I humbly add I have spent more than 42 years as a defense trial lawyer appearing in many parts of the world and am still in active practice. I have been fortunate to secure a number of successes in jury trials [245] and I say unequivocally the evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ is so overwhelming that it compels acceptance by proof which leaves absolutely no room for doubt. - Sir Lionel Luckhoo, the most successful trial attorney in history, according to the Guiness Book of World Records

He lived in Guyana and served mankind as a defense trial lawyer and later as a supreme court judge. He was an expert on the rules of evidence, proof of claim, dialectics, advocacy, and prosecution.

"The Christian religion, in its purity, is the the basis and the source of all genuine freedom in government." - Noah Webster in a letter to James Madison (1829)

And here is some abject stupidity:


"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing." Physicist Stephen Hawking

"We're nothing but a soap bubble, floating in a bubble bath of soap bubbles." - Michio Kaku, theoretial physicis, speaking of our universe within the "Multiverse"

"So it takes no energy to create a universe. Universes are for free. A universe is a free lunch." - Michio Kaku

"The highest dimension is eleven. We cannot go beyond eleven because universes become unstable beyond eleven." - Michio Kaku
[Physicists become unstable talking about free universes and the Multiverse.]

"An entire universe can come from nothing because its entire energy can be zero." - Physicist Lawrence Krauss

"Our universe is a small, random accident in a Multiverse." - Lawrence Krauss

The same fellow said the foregoing with a straight face, and then said this:

"We don't know that for certain."

"In science we have to be quite skeptical." [He says after claiming the universe to be "small, random accident."]

"Without empirical evidence, it's all just talk." [You're telling US!]

[vulcanlogician]

"Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." - Richard Feinman, quantum physicist

Sorry tl;dr... (I read like half of it). Do you want to have an honest conversation about the foundations of knowledge, buddy? I will participate if you cease all fiery accusations of vulgarity.

You and I actually agree: putting FAITH into science is a BAD IDEA. The good thing is, science doesn't work by faith. It works by DEMONSTRATION. It looks for PROOF!

Once you have proof... no faith is required.

But how do you go about looking for proof? The first thing to do is admit that you don't know. You see, guys who come here claiming that THEY know more than cosmologists about the beginnings of the cosmos strike me as people who are unwilling to admit gaps in their knowledge.

Scientists don't claim knowledge that they don't have. Religious fanatics do... but scientists don't. Scientists admit gaps in their knowledge. You might want to try it sometime.

I don't think you understand the essence of Feinman's quote. You don't understand that the first step in genuine inquiry is admitting you don't know.

The Bible says God makes the rain fall. Do you think scientists were able to learn about the water cycle by taking the Bible's word on things? NO! They started with this: "I don't know. I need to gather evidence." By following their "ignorance" they were able to actually discern how the water cycle actually works. (Spoiler alert: God does not make the rain fall from the sky. Water evaporates into clouds, cools down, then falls as rain-- thank you, science.)

[Whateverist]

Whateverist:

"The godless left is a totally stupid phrase."

-----------------

But "right wing religious extremists" is perfectly fine, isn't it.
And your claim that all (with a few exceptions of course) Christians are "stupid" and "anti-science" is pure genius.

You people almost never add any information when you post here.  Hatred, yes.  Profanity, certainly.
Condescension, always.  But truth and wisdom?  Where.  Show me some.  Please.

Here is some truth and wisdom:

"A very great deal more truth can become known than can be proven." ...
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." - Richard Feinman, quantum physicist

“Many people don’t realize that science basically involves assumptions and faith.   Wonderful things in both science and religion come from our efforts based on observations, thoughtful assumptions, faith and logic.  (With the findings of modern physics, it) seems extremely unlikely (that the existence of life and humanity are ) just accidental.” – Charles Townes, Nobel Laureate and Professor of Physics at UC Berkeley

“It seems to me that when confronted with the marvels of life and the universe, one must ask why and not just how. The only possible answers are religious…. I find a need for God in the universe and in my own life.” - Arthur L. Schawlow, Professor of Physics at Stanford University, winner of the Nobel Prize in physics, believes that new scientific discoveries provide compelling evidence for a personal God.

“As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about atoms this much: There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind.”  ― Max Planck

There is a kind of religion in science; it is the religion of a person who believes there is order and harmony in the Universe…This religious faith of the scientist is violated by the discovery that the world had a beginning under conditions in which the known laws of physics are not valid, and as a product of forces or circumstances we cannot discover. When that happens, the scientist has lost control. If he really examined the implications, he would be traumatized. - Robert Jastrow

For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been waiting there for centuries. - Robert Jastrow

“There is no doubt that a parallel exists between the big bang as an event and the Christian notion of creation from nothing.” - Nobel Prize  winner George Smoot


"Being a lover of freedom, when the (Nazi) revolution came, I looked to the universities to defend it, knowing that they had always boasted of their devotion to the cause of truth; but no, the universities were immediately silenced. Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers, whose flaming editorials in days gone by had proclaimed their love of freedom; but they,like the universities, were silenced in a few short weeks...Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler's campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration for it because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual and moral freedom. I am forced to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly." --Albert Einstein from Kampi und Zeugnis der bekennenden Kirche

"What I think the DNA material has done is to show that intelligence must have been involved in getting these extraordinarily diverse elements together. The enormous complexity by which the results were achieved look to me like the work of intelligence…. It now seems to me that the finding of more than fifty years of DNA research have provided materials for a new and enormously powerful argument to design." - Sir Anthony Flew, former prominent atheist


I humbly add I have spent more than 42 years as a defense trial lawyer appearing in many parts of the world and am still in active practice. I have been fortunate to secure a number of successes in jury trials [245] and I say unequivocally the evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ is so overwhelming that it compels acceptance by proof which leaves absolutely no room for doubt. - Sir Lionel Luckhoo, the most successful trial attorney in history, according to the Guiness Book of World Records  

He lived in Guyana and served mankind as a defense trial lawyer and later as a supreme court judge. He was an expert on the rules of evidence, proof of claim, dialectics, advocacy, and prosecution.

"The Christian religion, in its purity, is the the basis and the source of all genuine freedom in government." - Noah Webster in a letter to James Madison (1829)

And here is some abject stupidity:


"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing." Physicist Stephen Hawking

"We're nothing but a soap bubble, floating in a bubble bath of soap bubbles." - Michio Kaku, theoretial physicis, speaking of our universe within the "Multiverse"

"So it takes no energy to create a universe.  Universes are for free. A universe is a free lunch." - Michio Kaku

"The highest dimension is eleven. We cannot go beyond eleven because universes become unstable beyond eleven." - Michio Kaku
[Physicists become unstable talking about free universes and the Multiverse.]

"An entire universe can come from nothing because its entire energy can be zero." - Physicist Lawrence Krauss

"Our universe is a small, random accident in a Multiverse." - Lawrence Krauss

The same fellow said the foregoing with a straight face, and then said this:

"We don't know that for certain."

"In science we have to be quite skeptical." [He says after claiming the universe to be "small, random accident."]

"Without empirical evidence, it's all just talk."  [You're telling US!]

Lordy, lordy, lordy.  Will you look at all them words?  Didn't think you knew that many, though cutting and pasting probably helps with that.  Anyhow, TL;DR

[Starman]

"Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." - Richard Feinman, quantum physicist

Sorry tl;dr... (I read like half of it). Do you want to have an honest conversation about the foundations of knowledge, buddy? I will participate if you cease all fiery accusations of vulgarity.

[WHY DON'T YOU TELL ALL YOUR PALS HERE TO CEASE THEIR FIERY ACCUSATIONS OF MY STUPIDITY?   WHY DON'T YOU TELL THE MOST VULGAR OF ALL TO DELETE HIS VULGAR HEADLINE, HMMM?  YOUR DOUBLE STANDARD IS OFFENSIVE AND UNINTELLIGENT.]

You and I actually agree: putting FAITH into science is a BAD IDEA. The good thing is, science doesn't work by faith. It works by DEMONSTRATION. It looks for PROOF!

[YOUR WORDS, NOT MINE.  SCIENTISTS IMPLICITLY UNDERSTAND THAT ONE MUST HAVE FAITH IN PHYSICAL LAWS AND CONSTANTS. ONE MUST HAVE FAITH IN RESEARCH METHODOLOGY AND OUR ABILITY TO LEARN AND BUILD.  HUMANITY WAS FORMED TUTORIALLY, SUCH THAT WE WERE ABLE FIRST TO LEARN ESSENTIALS AND GROW EXPONENTIALLY FROM THERE.  YOU THINK THAT ALL JUST "HAPPENED"?  I HAVE NEWS FOR YOU.]

Once you have proof... no faith is required.

["NOTHING IS KNOWN FOR CERTAIN EXCEPT IN PURE MATHEMATICS." - CARL SAGAN
ARGUE WITH HIS STUDENTS.  HE SAID THERE IS NO CONFLICT BETWEEN SCIENCE AND RELIGION.  ARGUE WITH CARL SAGAN'S STUDENTS.
IRONICALLY, SAGAN'S MEMORIAL SERVICE WAS HELD IN ST. JOHN THE DIVINE'S CATHEDRAL IN NEW YORK CITY.  SAGAN THE AGNOSTIC, WITH CHURCH SERVICES. PRECIOUS.  I CRITIQUED SEVERAL OF HIS BOOKS WHICH ARE REPLETE WITH ERROR AND MISINFORMATION.  HE REPLIED WITH A LETTER ASKING ME SIMPLY TO BUY HIS NEWEST BOOK.  I NEVER BOUGHT ANY OF THEM, BUT CHECKED THEM OUT AT THE LIBRARY. ONE EGREGIOUS EXAMPLE OF HIS NONSENSE:  "SEX WAS INVENTED."  YEAH, RIGHT.]

But how do you go about looking for proof? The first thing to do is admit that you don't know. You see, guys who come here claiming that THEY know more than cosmologists about the beginnings of the cosmos strike me as people who are unwilling to admit gaps in their knowledge.

[AND OF COURSE YOU ATHEISTS HAVE NO "GAPS" IN YOUR KNOWLEDGE, DO YOU.]

Scientists don't claim knowledge that they don't have. Religious fanatics do... but scientists don't. Scientists admit gaps in their knowledge. You might want to try it sometime.

[YOUR CONDESCENSION AND PRETENSION IS TERRIBLY MISPLACED.  WHY DON'T YOU TRY EXPLAINING TO ME THE INSUPERABLE STATISTICS OF ABIOGENESIS AND POLYPEPTIDE SYNTHESIS.  WAX ELOQUENT ON CHIRALITY, PLEASE.  HOW MANY AMINO ACIDS WERE INCORPORATED IN THE FIRST SYNTHESIS OF HUMAN HEMOGLOBIN?  WHAT ARE THE TWO CHAINS?  WHY IS HEMOGLOBIN SAID TO "BREATHE"?
WHY DOES IT VIOLATE LECHATELIER'S PRINCIPLE?  TRY IT RIGHT NOW.]

I don't think you understand the essence of Feinman's quote. You don't understand that the first step in genuine inquiry is admitting you don't know.

[ALL OF US ARE SMARTER THAN ANY OF US. ADMIT THAT YOU REJECT THAT INALIENABLE FACT. YOU CAN'T.  THEN PROCEED WITH YOUR BRILLIANT DISCOURSE ON BIOCHEMISTRY. I'M EAGER TO READ IT.]

[brewer]

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Calling others "idiot" doesn't get one banned, but expressing one's reasonable opinions does?

How typical of atheists, who have no standards of decency or decorum.

I can buy and sell you, lad.   Many times over.  So spare me your petty name-calling childishness.

My, my, what a Christian thing to say. jesus must be so proud.

Edit: Posted the above before I saw the programming flow. Just as I predicted.

[vulcanlogician]

[AND OF COURSE YOU ATHEISTS HAVE NO "GAPS" IN YOUR KNOWLEDGE, DO YOU.]

Yes we do. And we admit as much. If you need to hear it straight up: I HAVE GAPS IN MY KNOWLEDGE. THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT I DO NOT KNOW.

You're the one who has it all figured out. We just think science is a reliable way to glean information about the universe. How many diseases has Christianity cured? How many satellites has Christianity put into orbit? How many reliable facts about nature has Christianity given us?

[Whateverist]

[AND OF COURSE YOU ATHEISTS HAVE NO "GAPS" IN YOUR KNOWLEDGE, DO YOU.]

Yes we do. And we admit as much. If you need to hear it straight up: I HAVE GAPS IN MY KNOWLEDGE. THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT I DO NOT KNOW.

You're the one who has it all figured out. We just think science is a reliable way to glean information about the universe. How many diseases has Christianity cured? How many satellites has Christianity put into orbit? How many reliable facts about nature has Christianity given us?

I too do not claim to already know the answer to all life's big questions.  Why on earth do so many feel entitled to certainty in regard to every possible question?  I guess they think the bible is like the teacher's edition with all the answers provided.

[mlmooney89]

For the record, I have described many of you accurately - your profanity, your anger, your hatred.

The truth hurts you.  You can't stand it.  Atheism is a lie and you people are obsessed with lies.
You traffic in them and lambaste en mass anyone who dares to cross swords with you.
The best you can do is proclaim yourselves intellectually superior and huff off, as if victorious.
It never changes.

HAHAHAHA omg the irony it physically hurts. I'm dying lmao