Evolution

[The Grand Nudger]

43 pages in, I'm put in the mind of Sagan's question...why the superstitious never see something like evolution and think "This is better than we thought, our god is bigger than we imagined!"

Nope.  Evolution is bunk, the real deal is magic, mud men, and dog math.

[Whateverist]

Exactly, They make it up as they go. Additionally, science can't be trusted as we both know, Can you think of one thing science ever gave us? I can't

Fun fact: No fossils actually exist, they are all plastic stand-ins to fool the masses.

RAmen brother.

Science has given us a lot, and it's methods are reasonable when it comes to practical applications, but when it comes to theory, that's just what it is, until proven.

*my bold*

And how does that not apply to goddidit?  That's your 'theory', right?  That's all it is until you've proven it, but you don't even try.  You accept on faith that it is true without the bother.

Take your double standards someplace where that is acceptable, like your church or your momma's basement.
Of course calling it a theory is a disservice to science but you wouldn't understand why.

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43 pages in, I'm put in the mind of Sagan's question...why the superstitious never see something like evolution and think "This is better than we thought, our god is bigger than we imagined!"

Nope.  Evolution is bunk, the real deal is magic, mud men, and dog math.

I give them hints in that direction all the time but they just shout something about "get thee behind me, serpent".  A fool and his ignorance are not easily parted.

[Angrboda]

Order and chaos are relative terms.  Order implies the existence of chaos.  Chaos implies the existence of order.

You might want to think about the actual meaning of the words you use before you spit out your next zen koan.

Still waiting for a cogent response to the point under consideration.

Does that view allow us to say that there isn't any such thing as pure chaos, let alone a way in which it can produce order?

Still waiting....

[chimp3]

At least once a year I like to remind our fellow forum lurkers the hidden sickness of your twisted thoughts. I can not conceive of any humanist ever finding a reason that rape would be acceptable. You seem to revel in it. I hope you do not have children. If you do or have, please keep this sick idea away from them. If they suffer from sexual abuse they would only feel guilt and shame for bringing rape upon themselves.

Idiot.  

1) When I ever said that rape is acceptable?  
I am only saying that humans are not able to change the natural laws.
Can you cancel or undo a reaction after an action take place?

These laws are not set by LR you fool.  
All humans can do is to limit or avoid the damage if that is possible and of course I will be the first to help if I can.

2) As usual you fail to bring any evidence that this little girl in question never lived before and never engage in bad actions.
I already knew that you are all talking and zero substance.  

I love getting your goat!!!

I wish reincarnation was real. It would be so fun telling you to fuck off for the next 10,000 years!

[robvalue]

I suppose Rik might be using this as a coping mechanism. The world seems like a horrible and unfair place in many ways. So it's easier to stomach if you come up with reasons why everything is in fact fair. This kind of thing would appeal to such a person I guess.

If a rapist is having their actions hijacked by Karma Magic, then is it fair to hold them accountable for their actions? Maybe whatever the victim did in their last life was a result of Karma Magic making them bottle someone for something their victim did in a past life...

How can we tell when someone genuinely does something bad, and when it's Karma Magic? Seeing as everyone deserves everything they get, when can it ever not be KM? What a convoluted mess, and that's before you even try to explain how any of this actually happens.

[Whateverist]

[Little Rik]

Idiot.  

1) When I ever said that rape is acceptable?  
I am only saying that humans are not able to change the natural laws.
Can you cancel or undo a reaction after an action take place?

These laws are not set by LR you fool.  
All humans can do is to limit or avoid the damage if that is possible and of course I will be the first to help if I can.

2) As usual you fail to bring any evidence that this little girl in question never lived before and never engage in bad actions.
I already knew that you are all talking and zero substance.  

I love getting your goat!!!

I wish reincarnation was real. It would be so fun telling you to fuck off for the next 10,000 years!

In 10,000 years after more reincarnations you still will be in the physical dimension whining that God allow so many cruelty while your dear mate (LR) will have long left the physical dimension and be one with the supreme mastermind.

But not all is lost Chimp.
You too have the chance to get out the mental sewer in which you are at the moment if you want.
As a start you should really understand that coincidences which atheism stand for and reality are the two opposites.  

A universe that exist for billion years can not possibly be alive and well out of coincidences.      

[Angrboda]

More and more idiotic comments from you but after all what to expect from such an idiot.  

Science is all about searching and more searching but it seems that atheists gave up on searching.
In fact they never bother to search so science which is all about searching means absolutely nothing to them.  

Take someone who born healthy and wealthy while somebody else born sick and poor.
Atheists don't really bother to know why.
For them is all about good or bad luck.
In this universe there is no such a thing as good or bad luck.
If that would be the case this universe never existed in the first place or if it would have started at one stage because of bad luck it would have already disintegrate but it never did and never will BECAUSE obviously someone run it.

Atheism is based on coincidences that is why searching goes down the sewer while fantasies reign supreme.

[emphasis mine]

Obviously? Yeah, no. This is just crap. "because of bad luck??" Bahahaha. What a joke. What's obvious is that you're sucking shit when it comes to proving your claim.

Things happen because of "causes," not "luck." Unless you can name the cause which would have led to the disintegration of the universe then you got nothing.

This is not evidence. This is more bare assertions. Complete bullshit.

You said that NDEs show that reincarnation exists, thus confirming evolution of consciousness. According to you, karma is necessary as well.

And now you have to show that God also is a necessary consequence of some set of evidence. This guessing about "what must have been" is just guessing -- not evidence.

Time for you to put up or shut up. Provide evidence which necessarily entails karma and reincarnation or fuck the hell off.

[Little Rik]

More and more idiotic comments from you but after all what to expect from such an idiot.  

Science is all about searching and more searching but it seems that atheists gave up on searching.
In fact they never bother to search so science which is all about searching means absolutely nothing to them.  

Take someone who born healthy and wealthy while somebody else born sick and poor.
Atheists don't really bother to know why.
For them is all about good or bad luck.
In this universe there is no such a thing as good or bad luck.
If that would be the case this universe never existed in the first place or if it would have started at one stage because of bad luck it would have already disintegrate but it never did and never will BECAUSE obviously someone run it.

Atheism is based on coincidences that is why searching goes down the sewer while fantasies reign supreme.

[emphasis mine]

Obviously?  Yeah, no.  This is just crap.  "because of bad luck??"  Bahahaha.  What a joke.   What's obvious is that you're sucking shit when it comes to proving your claim.

Things happen because of "causes," not "luck."  Unless you can name the cause which would have led to the disintegration of the universe then you got nothing.

This is not evidence.  This is more bare assertions.  Complete bullshit.

You said that NDEs show that reincarnation exists, thus confirming evolution of consciousness.   According to you, karma is necessary as well.

And now you have to show that God also is a necessary consequence of some set of evidence.  This guessing about "what must have been" is just guessing -- not evidence.

Time for you to put up or shut up.  Provide evidence which necessarily entails karma and reincarnation or fuck the hell off.

Talking to you is like talking to a kindergarten pupil.  
A complete waste of time.  

A pupil will never understand the knowledge-consciousness of a degree person or a person engaged in other scientific studies fruit of years of studies and sacrifices.
Atheism and lack of knowledge go hand in hand because atheism is based on coincidences not on study.
It just puzzle me how atheists have the audacity to say that they are expert in science when in fact that is not the case considering that science contradict atheists on every step.

All atheists do is dismiss every single point from non atheists even without bothering to search whether it may be true or not.
Dismiss, dismiss and more dismiss.
This is the atheist mantra repeated like in a rosary day and night.

Even real experiences such as NDEs are dismissed automatically not because they don't carry any evidence but because they would contradict atheism itself.

Fortunately this is the age of openness and free information where even the most repressive regimes find very difficult to stop the free flow of information.
Anyone who try to carry on with dogmas are on the way out and dumped in the rubbish bin of history.

You can dismiss how much as you like yog  but at the end your dogmas will for sure end up in the rubbish bin of history.  

[Cod]

Even real experiences such as NDEs are dismissed automatically not because they don't carry any evidence but because they would contradict atheism itself.

Even if it became apparent that there is an afterlife, It would still not affect atheism, Do you understand what atheism is? You would still need to prove that a God was in someway responsible for it, or connected with it..