Evolution

[Little Rik]

You wouldn't have the slightest clue who the grown ups are.  

Oh really? Well what about this..

The grown up know how evolution works and how to get to the goal of life ASAP.
Anyone who believe that evolution is only about survival is a total fool.  

Once again demonstrating that your understanding of evolution is less that that of a child.

Actually I never said that karma does not apply to me.

You absolutely did, right here...

Wrong. (again and again)


Karma only works when there is a clear intention to harm somebody.  
That feeling of harming somebody stay in the mind for quite sometime willing or not willing.  
That is not my case.
After few minutes that I leave the forum my mind is somewhere else.  
When I say.........you are a fool is like saying the same thing to someone that I see stealing something from a shop.  
In my case it is like a warning to people who are entrenched in dogmas to get rid of that bad habit and all this has zero to do with karma.  

In other words, you can hurl insults here, or pretty much do anything you like so long as you don't feel bad about it and forget it quickly. You invented your personal karmic "get-out-of-jail-free" card.

This is no different than the christian "get-out-of-jail-free" card of a death bed conversion/confession and equally hypocritical.

I instead said that karma apply to anyone who intend to harm somebody else.
Do you feel harm when I say that you are a fool?

It's insulting. The karma from that will cause you to be a village idiot in your next life at best.

Are you such a baby that take it seriously?

Are you suggesting that nothing you post should be taken seriously? Fine by me.  

People in this forum swear to me, call me all sort of names and even call my mother a whore.
I only feel harm inside when they call my mother a whore but for the rest I take very little notes.

You hurl insults right, left and center. Why are you surprised when others respond in kind?

What you want to do Aba?
You guys keep on calling all sort of names and pretend that I say nothing?
Make up your mind.
I am open to all intelligent propositions if you have any.  

Sure, you could strive to be a better person. That would help you, your karma and everyone else here. I hold little hope for that. It seems the evil is ingrained in you.

Have a lovely day anyway.  

How cute, you think the nonsense ideas you post could affect my day.

1) Evolution.

There is nothing wrong with Darwin study.
The guy did what he could in order to understand CHANGES within the physical aspect of lower form of life such as plants and animals.
That is where his studies end.
All he understood is that these changes are trigger by survival only.
It never pop up in his mind that there is a force that guide all life in the universe and that force also guide plants and animals to go on and on towards progress.
Evolution is progress in consciousness not just a change in bodies that is why Darwin study is very very limited in understanding what real evolution is all about.

2) Karma.
You are free to think that I do not know what karma is all about.
To me bad karma is all about harming somebody.
Do you feel offended when I say fool to somebody and do not care when other people in this forum swear to me, call me with all sort of names and say that my mother is a whore.
You are the king of hypocrite son.
You should feel ashamed of yourself.  

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Gee, those purple mushrooms seem to have a long lasting effect on you.



Never mind my dear.
LR is here to help for all your mental problems.  

[The Grand Nudger]

1) Evolution.

There is nothing wrong with Darwin study.
The guy did what he could in order to understand CHANGES within the physical aspect of lower form of life such as plants and animals.
That is where his studies end.
All he understood is that these changes are trigger by survival only.

Wildly incorrect.  Darwin never knew or understood what triggered the changes he observed.  He never knew why plants and animals resembled their parents, the basis of heritable variations in populations.  Mendel had read Darwins work, and wrote notes all over the margins like a schoolgirl, but never seemed to realize that his work was germane to Darwins and Darwin seems to have been unaware on Mendel.  Darwin, and most everyone else of his time, was completely unfamiliar with what we call genetics. That;s what "triggers the change". Selection, darwins big idea....merely distributes that change throughout the population.

It never pop up in his mind that there is a force that guide all life in the universe and that force also guide plants and animals to go on and on towards progress.

It wouldn't have mattered if it had, since that's entirely false and nothing to do with evolution anyway.  

Evolution is progress in consciousness not just a change in bodies that is why Darwin study is very very limited in understanding what real evolution is all about.

Darwin was limited in understanding, sure...but not for any batshit reason of yours.  Those, more accurately, describe the limits of your own understanding. I want you to learn something, from this 80 page thread. Just one thing. The very minute you start daydreaming about your guiding force stringing us all along towards "progress" - you are discussing your religion. Not evolution. Can you remeber that? Can you burn it into your mind so that you don't forget it? Just that one thing, understood and accepted..will help you to come off like less of an idiot.

[Anomalocaris]

..will help you to come off like less of an idiot.

That boat sailed many centuries ago.

[The Grand Nudger]

I know, and it's not the first time I've explained the above to Rik just in this thread.  Repetition is one of the keys to learning, though...so I figure I'll keep explaining that same thing to him multiple times in multiple threads and..one day, karma willing, it might sink it.

Or maybe force will guide him to progress, as he claims it does.....I'd take either, honestly. As a sideline, that's one of the more amusing things about religions and gods. It's high time one of them came down from on high and told it's followers to stop believing in silly shit and accept the facts of biology. They're alleged to have popped by to drop smaller pearls, before. Besides, who would know better than a god..that said god wasn't up there pulling levers and tinkering with shit? A simple "I don't know that bitch" would suffice.

[Angrboda]

Never mind my dear.
LR is here to help for all your mental problems.  

Help? What possible help could you be to anyone? Your entire worldview is based on the dogma that vibrations and energy are alive. You're just another religious nutball.

I've pointed out multiple times that the points you cite can't distinguish between the yoga view that vibrations and energy are alive and the Christian view that a god external to them is causing them to behave as they do. Yet you obviously believe the Christian view is false, and the yoga view is correct. So far you've studiously avoided answering this problem, most likely because you have no actual reason for preferring the yoga view. Well put up or shut up. If you don't have a reason for preferring the yoga view, then it is just dogma.

Your entire case for the belief that vibrations and energy are alive come down to a supposed similarity between the behavior of them and those of life. They move, therefore they must be alive. In addition to the problem above, even you admit that the way vibrations and energy behave is different from that of 'higher' life. So what is the similarity? Life as we know it all performs the processes of consumption, metabolism, excretion, and reproduction. Do vibrations or energy? No they do not. Your analogy fails at even the most basic level. That's because your belief isn't based upon any analogy between vibrations or energy and life, but rather because it's dogma that you were taught to believe regardless of the evidence.

You're just another deluded religious twat. The only person you could possibly help is yourself, but you'd rather roll around in dogma like an idiot.

[The Valkyrie]

..will help you to come off like less of an idiot.

That boat sailed many centuries ago.

Sailed.

Hit an iceberg.

Sank with all hands.

[Little Rik]

1) Evolution.

There is nothing wrong with Darwin study.
The guy did what he could in order to understand CHANGES within the physical aspect of lower form of life such as plants and animals.
That is where his studies end.
All he understood is that these changes are trigger by survival only.

Wildly incorrect.  Darwin never knew or understood what triggered the changes he observed.  He never knew why plants and animals resembled their parents, the basis of heritable variations in populations.  Mendel had read Darwins work, and wrote notes all over the margins like a schoolgirl, but never seemed to realize that his work was germane to Darwins and Darwin seems to have been unaware on Mendel.  Darwin, and most everyone else of his time, was completely unfamiliar with what we call genetics.  That;s what "triggers the change".  Selection, darwins big idea....merely distributes that change throughout the population.

It never pop up in his mind that there is a force that guide all life in the universe and that force also guide plants and animals to go on and on towards progress.

It wouldn't have mattered if it had, since that's entirely false and nothing to do with evolution anyway.  

Evolution is progress in consciousness not just a change in bodies that is why Darwin study is very very limited in understanding what real evolution is all about.

Darwin was limited in understanding, sure...but not for any batshit reason of yours.  Those, more accurately, describe the limits of your own understanding.  I want you to learn something, from this 80 page thread.  Just one thing.  The very minute you start daydreaming about your guiding force stringing us all along towards "progress" - you are discussing your religion.  Not evolution.  Can you remeber that?  Can you burn it into your mind so that you don't forget it?  Just that one thing, understood and accepted..will help you to come off like less of an idiot.

Wrong once again Khem.  
Instinct has absolutely nothing to do with religion and instinct is the driving force that allow low form of lives to progress to humans.
Ever heard about instinct brother khem?

Anyway let us go further.
Once these lower form of lives progress to humans the free will intervene and the force that was guiding lower form of lives is now balanced
by an opposite force that try to hinder any progress.
These two forces are better known as positive and negative or yin and yang.
Even Newton's third law is........... for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.......

This is science my friend not religion so wake up and grow up if you can.  

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Never mind my dear.
LR is here to help for all your mental problems.  

Help?  What possible help could you be to anyone?  Your entire worldview is based on the dogma that vibrations and energy are alive.  You're just another religious nutball.

I've pointed out multiple times that the points you cite can't distinguish between the yoga view that vibrations and energy are alive and the Christian view that a god external to them is causing them to behave as they do.  Yet you obviously believe the Christian view is false, and the yoga view is correct.  So far you've studiously avoided answering this problem, most likely because you have no actual reason for preferring the yoga view.  Well put up or shut up.  If you don't have a reason for preferring the yoga view, then it is just dogma.

Your entire case for the belief that vibrations and energy are alive come down to a supposed similarity between the behavior of them and those of life.  They move, therefore they must be alive.  In addition to the problem above, even you admit that the way vibrations and energy behave is different from that of 'higher' life.  So what is the similarity?  Life as we know it all performs the processes of consumption, metabolism, excretion, and reproduction.  Do vibrations or energy?  No they do not.  Your analogy fails at even the most basic level.  That's because your belief isn't based upon any analogy between vibrations or energy and life, but rather because it's dogma that you were taught to believe regardless of the evidence.

You're just another deluded religious twat.  The only person you could possibly help is yourself, but you'd rather roll around in dogma like an idiot.

FIVE TIMES FOOL.

Everything in life is Vibration

http://altered-states.net/barry/newsletter463/


This is physics not philosophy or religion yog.  
Only life can bring more life that is why vibration are alive.    

As I already said to you .........you show me that non life can bring life and I will make you rich.
You could even win a Nobel prize by the way.
Sorry yog but science is on my side and if yoga goes hand in hand with science then I win twice.  

One last point.
Why vibrations and energy behave is different from that of 'higher' life?

Stupid question yog.
It is all about more or less awareness of who we are.
A rock doesn't have any way to express herself because she lack in awareness despite the fact that she is full of energy-vibrations but higher form of life can do a lot of things because the awareness within is a lot greater.
Suppose God vibrations are like a straight line while human vibrations are like waves.
Matter vibration therefore are a lot more slow.

[Abaddon_ire]

1) Evolution.

There is nothing wrong with Darwin study.

Then you accept it, right?

The guy did what he could in order to understand CHANGES within the physical aspect of lower form of life such as plants and animals.

There is no such thing as "lower" and "higher" forms of life. Such distinctions are arbitrary human-made distinctions of little value.

That is where his studies end.

Nope. How could you get such a basic thing as that wrong?

All he understood is that these changes are trigger by survival only.

Nope. Wrong again.

It never pop up in his mind that there is a force that guide all life in the universe and that force also guide plants and animals to go on and on towards progress.

You realise he was an ordained minister, right?

Evolution is progress in consciousness not just a change in bodies that is why Darwin study is very very limited in understanding what real evolution is all about.

Nope. Consciousness is a side effect. It is not a necessary consequence.

2) Karma.
You are free to think that I do not know what karma is all about.

Gee, thanks. I do not believe in karma, but clearly I know more than you about it.

To me bad karma is all about harming somebody.
Do you feel offended when I say fool to somebody and do not care when other people in this forum swear to me, call me with all sort of names and say that my mother is a whore.

Yes, I am offended. What are you going to do about that?

You are the king of hypocrite son.
You should feel ashamed of yourself.  

Why? I commented about YOUR behaviour. I made no comment about anyone else's one way or the other.

The simple fact is that I find all of your posts to be particularly odious.

You are grossly offensive to facts and truth.
You are grossly offensive to other members here.
You are grossly offensive to science and scientists.
You are grossly offensive to logic and reason.
You are grossly offensive to eastern traditions.

So go ahead and add that to your karmic slate.

That others chose to respond to you in the way they do is your karma in action, is it not?

[DLJ]

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1) Evolution.

There is nothing wrong with Darwin study.
The guy did what he could in order to understand CHANGES within the physical aspect of lower form of life such as plants and animals.
That is where his studies end.
All he understood is that these changes are trigger by survival only.
It never pop up in his mind that there is a force that guide all life in the universe and that force also guide plants and animals to go on and on towards progress.
Evolution is progress in consciousness not just a change in bodies that is why Darwin study is very very limited in understanding what real evolution is all about.
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Y'know what? I could get on board with some of that... if using some very loose definitions.

To clarify, could you please give the definitions you are using for:
1. "lower" - what is the criteria for higher or lower forms of life given that any and every species existing today has had the same amount of time to evolve?
2. "guide"
3. "progress" - is this meant in the sense of advancing to some goal or merely in the sense of moving onward?
4. "consciousness"

Thanks.

[The Grand Nudger]

@ #3

Guiding you towards the goal of escaping your body prison so that your spirit mind can blossom into the god flower it was always supposed to be!

It never occurs to these nutters that it might be their spirit mind that's defective, that they should be seeking to escape from -that- silly shit.