Evolution

[Angrboda]

Help? What possible help could you be to anyone? Your entire worldview is based on the dogma that vibrations and energy are alive. You're just another religious nutball.

I've pointed out multiple times that the points you cite can't distinguish between the yoga view that vibrations and energy are alive and the Christian view that a god external to them is causing them to behave as they do. Yet you obviously believe the Christian view is false, and the yoga view is correct. So far you've studiously avoided answering this problem, most likely because you have no actual reason for preferring the yoga view. Well put up or shut up. If you don't have a reason for preferring the yoga view, then it is just dogma.

Your entire case for the belief that vibrations and energy are alive come down to a supposed similarity between the behavior of them and those of life. They move, therefore they must be alive. In addition to the problem above, even you admit that the way vibrations and energy behave is different from that of 'higher' life. So what is the similarity? Life as we know it all performs the processes of consumption, metabolism, excretion, and reproduction. Do vibrations or energy? No they do not. Your analogy fails at even the most basic level. That's because your belief isn't based upon any analogy between vibrations or energy and life, but rather because it's dogma that you were taught to believe regardless of the evidence.

You're just another deluded religious twat. The only person you could possibly help is yourself, but you'd rather roll around in dogma like an idiot.

FIVE TIMES FOOL.

Everything in life is Vibration

http://altered-states.net/barry/newsletter463/


This is physics not philosophy or religion yog.  

Whether the article you linked to is physics or not doesn't matter because the article doesn't address the question of whether vibrations and energy are alive. The only thing that article talks about is using vibrations to heal living organisms. Even if everything in that article were valid, it wouldn't mean anything in relation to your claim that vibrations/energy are alive. Did you even read the article? Apparently not. That you think I'm the fool when you are posting articles that you haven't even read is laughable. Only a complete fool and moron posts irrelevant tripe that has nothing to do with the question being debated and then claims that "science" is on their side.

Only life can bring more life that is why vibration are alive.    

I already responded to this when you first brought it up (HERE and HERE). You have no evidence or proof that life only comes from life, so this is just an unsupported assertion. But I already pointed out that you have no reasons or evidence for this, as well as other problems with this claim. Are you deaf? Or did you sleep through that post as well? Or do you believe that repeating bullshit enough times will somehow make it not be bullshit? What the fuck is wrong with you?

Regardless, since you have no reason or evidence for believing that life can only come from life, your argument here doesn't in anyway demonstrate your claim.

As I already said to you .........you show me that non life can bring life and I will make you rich.
You could even win a Nobel prize by the way.

And yet more bullshit that I've already responded to. I'm not making a claim here. You are. It's your job to show that your belief that vibrations/energy are alive is justified, not my job to show that it is false. You show no evidence of having even heard my prior points. Even if your view of evolution is true, you aren't going anywhere because you've demonstrated that you are incapable of learning. Your head might as well be a rock, and all your meditation might just as well have been picking your nose -- you are incapable of making any progress.

Sorry yog but science is on my side and if yoga goes hand in hand with science then I win twice.  

Since you haven't presented any science that supports your belief that vibrations/energy are alive, I can only assume this is just more unsupported bullshit. If you have scientific evidence, then present it. Otherwise your claims of science agreeing with you are just more fantasies from a deluded religious fuck.

One last point.
Why vibrations and energy behave is different from that of 'higher' life?

Stupid question yog.
It is all about more or less awareness of who we are.
A rock doesn't have any way to express herself because she lack in awareness despite the fact that she is full of energy-vibrations but higher form of life can do a lot of things because the awareness within is a lot greater.
Suppose God vibrations are like a straight line while human vibrations are like waves.
Matter vibration therefore are a lot more slow.

I could really care less. If vibrations/energy don't behave like higher life, then you have no reason for concluding that vibrations/energy are alive from their behavior. What you think about the metaphysics of vibrations means fuckall to the question you've been asked. This is just more irrelevant tripe like the article you linked to above.

I've pointed out multiple times that the points you cite can't distinguish between the yoga view that vibrations and energy are alive and the Christian view that a god external to them is causing them to behave as they do. Yet you obviously believe the Christian view is false, and the yoga view is correct. So far you've studiously avoided answering this problem, most likely because you have no actual reason for preferring the yoga view. Well put up or shut up. If you don't have a reason for preferring the yoga view, then it is just dogma.

It appears that you chose to shut up, rather than put up. If you can't provide justification for believing that the Christian view is wrong, then you obviously don't have any such reasons. That makes your rejection of Christianity simply yet another dogmatic belief of yours. But perhaps you are deaf, or unable to read, or perhaps you were asleep, or just being a douche and not bothering to read shit like above. Speak now or forever hold your peace. Either you have reasons to reject the Christian theory or you don't. If you don't, your belief that vibrations/energy are alive is just dogma.

[Little Rik]

Help?  What possible help could you be to anyone?  Your entire worldview is based on the dogma that vibrations and energy are alive.  You're just another religious nutball.

I've pointed out multiple times that the points you cite can't distinguish between the yoga view that vibrations and energy are alive and the Christian view that a god external to them is causing them to behave as they do.  Yet you obviously believe the Christian view is false, and the yoga view is correct.  So far you've studiously avoided answering this problem, most likely because you have no actual reason for preferring the yoga view.  Well put up or shut up.  If you don't have a reason for preferring the yoga view, then it is just dogma.

Your entire case for the belief that vibrations and energy are alive come down to a supposed similarity between the behavior of them and those of life.  They move, therefore they must be alive.  In addition to the problem above, even you admit that the way vibrations and energy behave is different from that of 'higher' life.  So what is the similarity?  Life as we know it all performs the processes of consumption, metabolism, excretion, and reproduction.  Do vibrations or energy?  No they do not.  Your analogy fails at even the most basic level.  That's because your belief isn't based upon any analogy between vibrations or energy and life, but rather because it's dogma that you were taught to believe regardless of the evidence.

You're just another deluded religious twat.  The only person you could possibly help is yourself, but you'd rather roll around in dogma like an idiot.

FIVE TIMES FOOL.

Everything in life is Vibration

http://altered-states.net/barry/newsletter463/


This is physics not philosophy or religion yog.  

Whether the article you linked to is physics or not doesn't matter because the article doesn't address the question of whether vibrations and energy are alive.  The only thing that article talks about is using vibrations to heal living organisms.  Even if everything in that article were valid, it wouldn't mean anything in relation to your claim that vibrations/energy are alive.  Did you even read the article?  Apparently not.  That you think I'm the fool when you are posting articles that you haven't even read is laughable.  Only a complete fool and moron posts irrelevant tripe that has nothing to do with the question being debated and then claims that "science" is on their side.

Only life can bring more life that is why vibration are alive.    

I already responded to this when you first brought it up (HERE and HERE).  You have no evidence or proof that life only comes from life, so this is just an unsupported assertion.  But I already pointed out that you have no reasons or evidence for this, as well as other problems with this claim.  Are you deaf?  Or did you sleep through that post as well?  Or do you believe that repeating bullshit enough times will somehow make it not be bullshit?  What the fuck is wrong with you?

Regardless, since you have no reason or evidence for believing that life can only come from life, your argument here doesn't in anyway demonstrate your claim.

As I already said to you .........you show me that non life can bring life and I will make you rich.
You could even win a Nobel prize by the way.

And yet more bullshit that I've already responded to.  I'm not making a claim here.  You are.  It's your job to show that your belief that vibrations/energy are alive is justified, not my job to show that it is false.  You show no evidence of having even heard my prior points.  Even if your view of evolution is true, you aren't going anywhere because you've demonstrated that you are incapable of learning.  Your head might as well be a rock, and all your meditation might just as well have been picking your nose -- you are incapable of making any progress.

Sorry yog but science is on my side and if yoga goes hand in hand with science then I win twice.  

Since you haven't presented any science that supports your belief that vibrations/energy are alive, I can only assume this is just more unsupported bullshit.  If you have scientific evidence, then present it.  Otherwise your claims of science agreeing with you are just more fantasies from a deluded religious fuck.

One last point.
Why vibrations and energy behave is different from that of 'higher' life?

Stupid question yog.
It is all about more or less awareness of who we are.
A rock doesn't have any way to express herself because she lack in awareness despite the fact that she is full of energy-vibrations but higher form of life can do a lot of things because the awareness within is a lot greater.
Suppose God vibrations are like a straight line while human vibrations are like waves.
Matter vibration therefore are a lot more slow.

I could really care less.  If vibrations/energy don't behave like higher life, then you have no reason for concluding that vibrations/energy are alive from their behavior.  What you think about the metaphysics of vibrations means fuckall to the question you've been asked.  This is just more irrelevant tripe like the article you linked to above.

I've pointed out multiple times that the points you cite can't distinguish between the yoga view that vibrations and energy are alive and the Christian view that a god external to them is causing them to behave as they do.  Yet you obviously believe the Christian view is false, and the yoga view is correct.  So far you've studiously avoided answering this problem, most likely because you have no actual reason for preferring the yoga view.  Well put up or shut up.  If you don't have a reason for preferring the yoga view, then it is just dogma.

It appears that you chose to shut up, rather than put up.  If you can't provide justification for believing that the Christian view is wrong, then you obviously don't have any such reasons.  That makes your rejection of Christianity simply yet another dogmatic belief of yours.  But perhaps you are deaf, or unable to read, or perhaps you were asleep, or just being a douche and not bothering to read shit like above.  Speak now or forever hold your peace.  Either you have reasons to reject the Christian theory or you don't.  If you don't, your belief that vibrations/energy are alive is just dogma.

If you have to almost write a book in order to say............THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST THAT VIBRATIONS ARE ALIVE .......then some nuts are clearly missing in your brain.  

You exist because you parents were alive and so animals, plants and matter.
Science is on my side yog.
Nothing has ever sprung out of nothing.
This is science.
I do not contradict science.
You clearly object the very science that you say you believe in so you fail not me.  

[Little Rik]

1) Evolution.

There is nothing wrong with Darwin study.

Then you accept it, right?

I do accept what he did in the same way that I would accept the work that a schoolboy would be able to do with his mental capacity.
Obviously this means that what the schoolboy knows is quite limited compared to what there is out there to learn.  

The guy did what he could in order to understand CHANGES within the physical aspect of lower form of life such as plants and animals.

There is no such thing as "lower" and "higher" forms of life. Such distinctions are arbitrary human-made distinctions of little value.

Are you telling me that the awareness in consciousness that you got is the same as the one that a donkey have?
Get real Aba.  
One day the donkey will progress to become a human being too but at the moment that is not the case that is why we say higher or lower form of life.  

That is where his studies end.

Nope. How could you get such a basic thing as that wrong?

Not wrong at all Aba.
Obviously Darwin at that stage in life was not interested in understanding the main factor that trigger evolution.
To him the main interest was the physical factor such as survival.

All he understood is that these changes are trigger by survival only.

Nope. Wrong again.

According to some scholars Darwin thought that a lot more was going in the minds of animals than human beings general gave them credit for and in the aforementioned book Darwin again deals with the parallels between human and animals.....

http://think-differently-about-sheep.com...Darwin.htm

...........as you can see he was close but despite all this he still could not get the clear picture that what trigger humans to progress is the same motivation that also trigger lower form of life to do the same which is to advance towards a goal.  
Goal to be free.

It never pop up in his mind that there is a force that guide all life in the universe and that force also guide plants and animals to go on and on towards progress.

You realise he was an ordained minister, right?

Christianity in general do not say that a plant can become a dog and a dog can one day become a man so his conception of evolution is obviously limited to religious dogmas.

Evolution is progress in consciousness not just a change in bodies that is why Darwin study is very very limited in understanding what real evolution is all about.

Nope. Consciousness is a side effect. It is not a necessary consequence.

WRONG.

In this very moment what trigger you to post in this forum is the feeling of expanding your consciousness and because of this expansion you advance.
This advance in turn trigger more evolution that in due time will change your body-mind in this or most probably in the next life.  

2) Karma.
You are free to think that I do not know what karma is all about.

Gee, thanks. I do not believe in karma, but clearly I know more than you about it.

Well done brother, keep with the good work so one day you will dump atheism dogma in the rubbish bin of history.

To me bad karma is all about harming somebody.
Do you feel offended when I say fool to somebody and do not care when other people in this forum swear to me, call me with all sort of names and say that my mother is a whore.

Yes, I am offended. What are you going to do about that?

Oh, well, in this case I will try my best to be a good boy.  

You are the king of hypocrite son.
You should feel ashamed of yourself.  

Why? I commented about YOUR behaviour. I made no comment about anyone else's one way or the other.

So you are telling me that you are a judge in the supreme kangaroo court, isn't it mate?
Well done.  

The simple fact is that I find all of your posts to be particularly odious.

You are grossly offensive to facts and truth.
You are grossly offensive to other members here.
You are grossly offensive to science and scientists.
You are grossly offensive to logic and reason.
You are grossly offensive to eastern traditions.

So go ahead and add that to your karmic slate.

That others chose to respond to you in the way they do is your karma in action, is it not?

Kangaroo court again?
You must have missed Minimalist signature and posts mate.
How sad!  

[Nay_Sayer]

For anyone who doesn't speak Rikeese, Here is his post in English:





RAmen

[Angrboda]

If you have to almost write a book in order to say............THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST THAT VIBRATIONS ARE ALIVE .......then some nuts are clearly missing in your brain.  

You exist because you parents were alive and so animals, plants and matter.

Parents, check. Animals, check. Plants, check. Matter? I understand this is what you believe, but you haven't given any justification for believing that it's true. Until you do, it's just religious dogma, and I don't give a shit about your religious dogma.

Science is on my side yog.
Nothing has ever sprung out of nothing.
This is science.

Since the question has nothing to do with whether nothing can come from nothing, this is just more irrelevant tripe. The question is whether you have justification for believing that vibrations and energy are alive, or that life only comes from life. You keep claiming that science is on your side, yet you so far have been unable to provide one scientific fact supporting you. You obviously have a strange idea of what it means for science to be on your side.

I do not contradict science.

Science has neither proved nor disproved the hypothesis that life can come from non-life. As long as you claim that you know that life cannot come from non-life, you are definitely diverging from science.

You clearly object the very science that you say you believe in so you fail not me.  

I challenged you once before to show where I contradicted science when you claimed this, and you ran away like a little girl. Are you going to back up your statement and show where I contradict science, or will you run away yet again?

It appears that you chose to shut up, rather than put up. If you can't provide justification for believing that the Christian view is wrong, then you obviously don't have any such reasons. ... Either you have reasons to reject the Christian theory or you don't. If you don't, your belief that vibrations/energy are alive is just dogma.

I see you chose not to respond. I guess that means you can't disprove the Christian view. That means your belief is just dogma. You fail again.

[Abaddon_ire]

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You have not addressed the point at hand. I am deeply offended by you. You must thus bear the burden of that karma. Or does your offensive "get out of jail" card work there too?

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Then you accept it, right?

I do accept what he did in the same way that I would accept the work that a schoolboy would be able to do with his mental capacity.
Obviously this means that what the schoolboy knows is quite limited compared to what there is out there to learn.  

You also moronically assume that science simply stopped at that point 150 years ago, That is a stupid idea.

The guy did what he could in order to understand CHANGES within the physical aspect of lower form of life such as plants and animals.

There is no such thing as "lower" and "higher" forms of life. Such distinctions are arbitrary human-made distinctions of little value.
Are you telling me that the awareness in consciousness that you got is the same as the one that a donkey have?
Get real Aba.  

No. Learn to read.

One day the donkey will progress to become a human being too but at the moment that is not the case that is why we say higher or lower form of life.  

Would that be a talking donkey?

That is where his studies end.

Nope. How could you get such a basic thing as that wrong?

Not wrong at all Aba.
Obviously Darwin at that stage in life was not interested in understanding the main factor that trigger evolution.
To him the main interest was the physical factor such as survival.

It's the 21st century, not the 19th. You are two centuries out of date. Quit living in the Victorian era.
Try to learn new things. It's only been a couple of centuries.

All he understood is that these changes are trigger by survival only.

Nope. Wrong again. And now I have lost the will.

Frankly, your crankery holds no water, and you have offended me. What restitution do you propose? No, don't bother. There is no restitution you could offer which would remotely make up for your sin.

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And you still reside in the delusion that whatever you post on the internet is not real. Well it is. Folks have committed suicide in real life because of cockwomles like YOU. So yes, you are actually perpetrating actual harm. You may not realise it but you are actively doing it.

[Little Rik]

If you have to almost write a book in order to say............THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST THAT VIBRATIONS ARE ALIVE .......then some nuts are clearly missing in your brain.  

You exist because you parents were alive and so animals, plants and matter.

Parents, check.  Animals, check.  Plants, check.  Matter?  I understand this is what you believe, but you haven't given any justification for believing that it's true.  Until you do, it's just religious dogma, and I don't give a shit about your religious dogma.

Science is on my side yog.
Nothing has ever sprung out of nothing.
This is science.

Since the question has nothing to do with whether nothing can come from nothing, this is just more irrelevant tripe.   The question is whether you have justification for believing that vibrations and energy are alive, or that life only comes from life.  You keep claiming that science is on your side, yet you so far have been unable to provide one scientific fact supporting you.  You obviously have a strange idea of what it means for science to be on your side.

I do not contradict science.

Science has neither proved nor disproved the hypothesis that life can come from non-life.  As long as you claim that you know that life cannot come from non-life, you are definitely diverging from science.

You clearly object the very science that you say you believe in so you fail not me.  

I challenged you once before to show where I contradicted science when you claimed this, and you ran away like a little girl.  Are you going to back up your statement and show where I contradict science, or will you run away yet again?

It appears that you chose to shut up, rather than put up.  If you can't provide justification for believing that the Christian view is wrong, then you obviously don't have any such reasons. ... Either you have reasons to reject the Christian theory or you don't.  If you don't, your belief that vibrations/energy are alive is just dogma.

I see you chose not to respond.  I guess that means you can't disprove the Christian view.  That means your belief is just dogma.  You fail again.

1) My previous answers to your questions were pretty clear.
Even a school kid would have understood that vibrations are alive considering that they bring life and life can only come from life.
Why science should tell that vibrations are alive?
It would be like to say that the water is wet.
Why scientists should engage in such stupid comments?
Unfortunately you must have some nuts in your brain not working so you keep on repeating the same questions again and again.

You will have to get some private tuition in the hope that the knowledge finally enter your brain.
I am always willing to help people in need provide that they are willing to learn.
You do not qualify in this regard.

2) Disprove Christian view?

Here we go again.
Why should  waste my time disproving dogmas?
I tried in a Christian forum with the result that they kick me out after one week.

The original message from Jesus unfortunately is long gone so now they are left with twisted and false truth.  

But let us see your question.
You say..........the Christian view that a god external to them is causing them to behave as they do.......blah, blah, blah.......

Not all Christians think like this.
Many Christians also believe in free will so they understand that bad actions may cause them to end down in their invented hell.

Have you got any more stupid questions to ask?

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snip for brevity

You have not addressed the point at hand. I am deeply offended by you. You must thus bear the burden of that karma. Or does your offensive "get out of jail" card work there too?

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And now in detail

I do accept what he did in the same way that I would accept the work that a schoolboy would be able to do with his mental capacity.
Obviously this means that what the schoolboy knows is quite limited compared to what there is out there to learn.  

You also moronically assume that science simply stopped at that point 150 years ago, That is a stupid idea.

I am commenting about Darwin not about today science but even today science hasn't still got the idea that consciousness expansion is the main reason in evolution.  

There is no such thing as "lower" and "higher" forms of life. Such distinctions are arbitrary human-made distinctions of little value.

Are you telling me that the awareness in consciousness that you got is the same as the one that a donkey have?
Get real Aba.  

No. Learn to read.

One day the donkey will progress to become a human being too but at the moment that is not the case that is why we say higher or lower form of life.  

Would that be a talking donkey?

The body will rot away but the consciousness will live for ever in a suitable new body that match that consciousness.
A pity that atheism is still floating in the mental stone age that doesn't get that everything move and change overtime.  

Not wrong at all Aba.
Obviously Darwin at that stage in life was not interested in understanding the main factor that trigger evolution.
To him the main interest was the physical factor such as survival.

It's the 21st century, not the 19th. You are two centuries out of date. Quit living in the Victorian era.
Try to learn new things. It's only been a couple of centuries.

Wake up Aba.  
We are talking about Darwin not about today science.

All he understood is that these changes are trigger by survival only.

Nope. Wrong again. And now I have lost the will.

Frankly, your crankery holds no water, and you have offended me. What restitution do you propose? No, don't bother. There is no restitution you could offer which would remotely make up for your sin.

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And you still reside in the delusion that whatever you post on the internet is not real. Well it is. Folks have committed suicide in real life because of cockwomles like YOU. So yes, you are actually perpetrating actual harm. You may not realise it but you are actively doing it.

[Angrboda]

1) My previous answers to your questions were pretty clear.

And they were all clearly inadequate.  We've been through this before.  I gave logical reasons for each argument rejected.  Can I help it that you suck at following up?

Even a school kid would have understood that vibrations are alive considering that they bring life and life can only come from life.

If you want to believe this as a matter of dogma, fine.  But you don't.  So you need to bring reasons and evidence for believing this.  So far you haven't.  You just keep repeating your claim without supporting it.  That's a total fail.

Why science should tell that vibrations are alive?
It would be like to say that the water is wet.
Why scientists should engage in such stupid comments?

Oh, so now science doesn't support you?  Just last post you were saying that science was on your side.  You don't know what you believe from one post to the next.

Unfortunately you must have some nuts in your brain not working so you keep on repeating the same questions again and again.

And we've been through this before as well.  Your answers to the question have been rejected for good reason.  Are you gonna lie again and claim that I didn't provide logical reasons?

You will have to get some private tuition in the hope that the knowledge finally enter your brain.
I am always willing to help people in need provide that they are willing to learn.
You do not qualify in this regard.

Running away, are we?

2) Disprove Christian view?

Here we go again.
Why should  waste my time disproving dogmas?
I tried in a Christian forum with the result that they kick me out after one week.

The original message from Jesus unfortunately is long gone so now they are left with twisted and false truth.

Blah, blah, blah....  This is totally irrelevant. 

But let us see your question.
You say..........the Christian view that a god external to them is causing them to behave as they do.......blah, blah, blah.......

Not all Christians think like this.

Not the point, dumbass.  It wouldn't matter if only one Christian believed this.  It's just an alternative explanation for the facts that you want to explain by claiming that vibrations and energy are alive.  If this alternate view is correct, then vibrations and energy are not alive.  So in order to demonstrate that your view is not just "something you believe for no reason," then you have to show that this view is false.

Many Christians also believe in free will so they understand that bad actions may cause them to end down in their invented hell.

What the hell does this have to do with anything?

[Little Rik]

1) My previous answers to your questions were pretty clear.

And they were all clearly inadequate.  We've been through this before.  I gave logical reasons for each argument rejected.  Can I help it that you suck at following up?

Even a school kid would have understood that vibrations are alive considering that they bring life and life can only come from life.

If you want to believe this as a matter of dogma, fine.  But you don't.  So you need to bring reasons and evidence for believing this.  So far you haven't.  You just keep repeating your claim without supporting it.  That's a total fail.

Why science should tell that vibrations are alive?
It would be like to say that the water is wet.
Why scientists should engage in such stupid comments?

Oh, so now science doesn't support you?  Just last post you were saying that science was on your side.  You don't know what you believe from one post to the next.

Unfortunately you must have some nuts in your brain not working so you keep on repeating the same questions again and again.

And we've been through this before as well.  Your answers to the question have been rejected for good reason.  Are you gonna lie again and claim that I didn't provide logical reasons?

You will have to get some private tuition in the hope that the knowledge finally enter your brain.
I am always willing to help people in need provide that they are willing to learn.
You do not qualify in this regard.

Running away, are we?

2) Disprove Christian view?

Here we go again.
Why should  waste my time disproving dogmas?
I tried in a Christian forum with the result that they kick me out after one week.

The original message from Jesus unfortunately is long gone so now they are left with twisted and false truth.

Blah, blah, blah....  This is totally irrelevant. 

But let us see your question.
You say..........the Christian view that a god external to them is causing them to behave as they do.......blah, blah, blah.......

Not all Christians think like this.

Not the point, dumbass.  It wouldn't matter if only one Christian believed this.  It's just an alternative explanation for the facts that you want to explain by claiming that vibrations and energy are alive.  If this alternate view is correct, then vibrations and energy are not alive.  So in order to demonstrate that your view is not just "something you believe for no reason," then you have to show that this view is false.

Many Christians also believe in free will so they understand that bad actions may cause them to end down in their invented hell.

What the hell does this have to do with anything?

Those purple mushrooms really got a long long effect on you.  

Why on earth should I care about any Christian view?  
We got some billion people on planet earth right?
I personally don't give a fig about all these people point of view except when they interfere with my life or the life on planet earth.
As I already dismiss all religious dogmas I also dismiss whether Jo the guy that live deep in the forest of Borneo is doing the right or wrong thing by wearing an instrument that support his testicles.
Why should I care?

As far as science and yoga say that everything including matter is made of vibrations   I am quite satisfied that vibrations bring life therefore they are alive.
In fact nothing in the universe is dead so the demented atheist idea that life can come from non life is but like an atomic fart.
Where the non life suppose to be yog.
Maybe deep in your little brain not anywhere in the universe.    

By the way I am still waiting to know from you the evidence that the physical death is the total death and that the consciousness is a product of the brain.

Still waiting after several years.  

[Amarok]

He's still on about his moronic that life can only come from life . Holy unjustified assertions batman .