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Fear of hell, advice please
RE: Fear of hell, advice please
If the biggest proof (?) of anything is "jesus"...then that thing is DOA. I doubt, however, that any other believer in any other afterlife would even begin to consider this statement informative. Your "jesus" doesn't mean jack to their afterlives.
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RE: Fear of hell, advice please
(March 8, 2018 at 6:23 pm)Khemikal Wrote: If the biggest proof (?) of anything is "jesus"...then that thing is DOA.  I doubt, however, that any other believer in any other afterlife would even begin to consider this statement informative.  Your "jesus" doesn't mean jack to their afterlives.

again, take a look online for Jesus in NDEs, there are tons. People are so convinced of it. There are way fewer people of other faiths seeing their deities. I thought I knew why, but it turns out other faiths expect to see their deities but don't. And why do some say Jesus looks nothing like traditional pics? It just proves it even more
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RE: Fear of hell, advice please
Round and round and............
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
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RE: Fear of hell, advice please
(March 8, 2018 at 7:24 pm)Succubus Wrote: Round and round and............

Hey I'm just reporting what we find. Give me a legit reason for it
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RE: Fear of hell, advice please
You'll always be afraid of hell as long as you believe in it.
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RE: Fear of hell, advice please
(March 8, 2018 at 7:40 pm)Hammy Wrote: You'll always be afraid of hell as long as you believe in it.

How do you know it is fake? And why do ndes always seem to say you have to believe in jesus? No answers because no one can answer it
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RE: Fear of hell, advice please
Who is 'we'?
The science community have perfectly reasonable explanations for near, death experiences. You on the other hand have some deep seated need to believe something else is going on, but unless you abandon youtube and the myriad new age bullshit websites you will never learn anything. Your approach is a textbook example of conformation bias, pseudo-science. You have started with a conclusion and are now looking for evidence to support that conclusion. You cannot deny this, your post's speak for themselves.  
I would wish you well in your endeavours but it would be a wasted gesture unless you adopt a different approach. But I doubt that is going to happen any time soon.
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
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RE: Fear of hell, advice please
(March 8, 2018 at 7:11 pm)orthodox-man Wrote:
(March 8, 2018 at 6:23 pm)Khemikal Wrote: If the biggest proof (?) of anything is "jesus"...then that thing is DOA.  I doubt, however, that any other believer in any other afterlife would even begin to consider this statement informative.  Your "jesus" doesn't mean jack to their afterlives.

again, take a look online for Jesus in NDEs, there are tons. People are so convinced of it. There are way fewer people of other faiths seeing their deities. I thought I knew why, but it turns out other faiths expect to see their deities but don't. And why do some say Jesus looks nothing like traditional pics? It just proves it even more

Bolded mine. Says who? It's not like people expect to have NDEs and then expect to see the deities of their choice. Hindus do see deities. Some other faiths don't. Some see Jesus. Some others don't. And all those who do see Jesus see varying models of him. Now why should this be taken as evidence of the supernatural, when these people are seeing different things? Why can't cultural conditioning be part of the explanation?

And "traditional pics"? Just out of curiosity, post a link to such an image so I know what model of Jesus you're speaking of.
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RE: Fear of hell, advice please
(March 8, 2018 at 7:11 pm)orthodox-man Wrote:
(March 8, 2018 at 6:23 pm)Khemikal Wrote: If the biggest proof (?) of anything is "jesus"...then that thing is DOA.  I doubt, however, that any other believer in any other afterlife would even begin to consider this statement informative.  Your "jesus" doesn't mean jack to their afterlives.

again, take a look online for Jesus in NDEs, there are tons. People are so convinced of it. There are way fewer people of other faiths seeing their deities. I thought I knew why, but it turns out other faiths expect to see their deities but don't. And why do some say Jesus looks nothing like traditional pics?

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From the very site you've been sourcing
https://www.near-death.com/experiences/n...rican.html
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RE: Fear of hell, advice please
(March 8, 2018 at 8:56 pm)Grandizer Wrote:
(March 8, 2018 at 7:11 pm)orthodox-man Wrote: again, take a look online for Jesus in NDEs, there are tons. People are so convinced of it. There are way fewer people of other faiths seeing their deities. I thought I knew why, but it turns out other faiths expect to see their deities but don't. And why do some say Jesus looks nothing like traditional pics? It just proves it even more

Bolded mine. Says who? It's not like people expect to have NDEs and then expect to see the deities of their choice. Hindus do see deities. Some other faiths don't. Some see Jesus. Some others don't. And all those who do see Jesus see varying models of him. Now why should this be taken as evidence of the supernatural, when these people are seeing different things? Why can't cultural conditioning be part of the explanation?

And "traditional pics"? Just out of curiosity, post a link to such an image so I know what model of Jesus you're speaking of.

Look at some of these examples of meetings with Jesus:



here are a few descriptions of meeting him: 
 
"Someone was waiting for me where the path ended. I knew it was Jesus. He was tall and strong, with long dark hair and a wonderful tender smile. His eyes were unforgettable, immense, dark, so loving and full of wisdom... He was wearing a long white tunic, and sandals. He was there all by himself and smiling, just waiting for ME. He welcomed me. He didn't say a word, I didn't either, but we were communicating without talking."
 
 
" I felt someone pick me up in their arms and I was surrounded by light. I looked in the smiling face of a man, who said his name was Jesus. He told me not to be frightened; he was here to take me back. He had shoulder length brown hair and dark brown eyes. He was wearing leather sandals on his feet with straps that went between his toes and tied around his ankles. He had on a long white gown with long gig sleeves, with a long light blue tunic over it. There was a gold color rope tied around his waist. His voice was very soft and kind, almost musical, and I felt a feeling of pure love, complete safety and trust."
 
" I felt a presence in there and tried to clarify whom it was. I could not see a face but felt the presence of Jesus on a throne. I said ‘who are you?’ He replied ‘I am your Lord Jesus ’and I fell to my knees. Jesus said ‘Don't be afraid, I love you’. I do not have the words to express the feeling of his presence. He had unconditional love towards me and said ‘what do you think of your life so far?’ I had a strong sense I had not completed what I need to learn as a human being. Jesus said ’You may stay with me or return to being a human being"
 
" Jesus Christ was seated next to God. The throne room was pure white. Then I stood there in absolute awe at the beauty of Jesus. Jesus was wearing a white robe with a purple sash and had flames in his eyes. His golden crown had many bright jewels in it. The jewels were purple, green, and red. I looked back at Jesus and his sash. Then the sash turned red. I was looking into His eyes. I saw forever in them: He was so beautiful."
 
"I only had a clear sight of a man that stood to the far right of me.

"I knew immediately that this man was Jesus. I never saw him before, but I knew that he was the master and my lord. I understood that he knew every fine detail about me. Jesus wore a white roman like cloak from his neck to his feet with long arm sleeves that were very loose. A red loose ban of clothing stretched from his left shoulder across the chest to his right waist. He had long brown curly hair that dangled to his shoulder length. Everything happened so fast that I didn’t see his wounds in his hands, face, nor see the color of his eyes." 

"Our conversation differed from a typical face-to-face speech. Somehow, I was able to communicate with the choice by mouth or the mind. Jesus spoke to me with his lips and spread his arms and said, “It is not time for you to die yet.”

 
"I had the pleasure of having a discussion with Jesus. I knew it was him and that I can never deny. I also received a wonderful hug from him. I felt his body with my spirit and there are times, especially when I do have occasional bouts of depression, I can still feel his physical body with my fingertips and I know he was real and that what he brought to the world was wonderful."
 
" He was more beautiful outside. This was like the Jesus images I saw in the Bible. His face was shining and he was smiling. His eyes were so deep. I felt that he could sent me lights of love. I wished to stay like that forever. It was the most amazing experience in my whole life! It was like he was taking me to heaven with him and I was happy to follow him. "
 
"There was Jesus standing there about one hundred feet tall, with his right arm extended. He was glowing, with long brown hair, copper skin, and a long white robe."
 
"Next to me on my right side was a presence. They were similar to the 'light beings' I had seen when I was three years old. But this time, the presence turned into a likeness of Jesus. He stood next to me and looked in my eyes. Then he touched/rubbed my right cheek. I immediately was able to breath and was free of pain and fear."
 
"Then, Jesus walked up to me. He was tall and so beautiful! His hair was dark and wavy, and very long down to his waist. His skin was dark and his eyes were a warm, liquid-brown. Jesus had a smile that melted my heart. He told me that He loved me, that He had walked beside me every day of my life. He told me that He had never left my side and never would leave my side, not ever."
 
""I saw a pinpoint of light in the distance. As I approached it, I noticed the figure of a man standing in it, with the light radiating all around him. As I got closer the light became brilliant - brilliant beyond any description, far more brilliant than the sun. I saw that the light immediately around him was golden, as if his whole body had a golden halo around it, and I could see that the golden halo burst out from around him and spread into a brilliant, magnificent whiteness that extended out for some distance. I felt his light blending into mine. And as our lights merged, I felt as if I had stepped into his countenance, and I felt an utter explosion of love. It was the most unconditional love I have ever felt, and as I saw his arms open to receive me I went to him and received his complete embrace. There was no questioning who he was. I knew that he was my Savior, and friend, and God. He was Jesus Christ, who had always loved me, even when I thought he hated me."
 
There are many more accounts like this all over the internet, I counted about 160 accounts I could find. They just tend to be so deep. Many describe Jesus as having dark hair, while his pictures in the USA make him look almost blond, so the American paintings don't usually mesh with the description of him. Yes his appearance slightly differs from person to person, but there is an answer to that:

"Perhaps the greatest reason why Jesus is described in differing ways in NDEs can best be described by Margaret Tweddell who revealed that Jesus appears in a way that you can recognize him and/or just as you've always imagined you see him. He shows himself to us according to our own understanding. The reason for this is that souls can appear in any form they desire."

These experiences like I said seem so deep, the people have personal conversations with Jesus, and they know its him, there are not any NDEs I can find from other faiths where people have such deep experiences with other deities. Do these accounts not mean anything to you??? Read even 2 or 3 of them, they are all so strikingly similar, so deep, telepathic, etc.
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