[split] AF Hall of Shame, various discussion including Denmark & bible contradiction

[Cyberman]

This is absurd, lol.

Even Camus would facepalm.

[Amarok]

But a state it seems a contradiction  to have a state mandated church that not everyone has to be a member of. And this still does not refute the notion that Denmark is culturally secular . And that even if the church has mandated power how much exercises said power in reality is a key question. So even if religious institutions have a mandate in the government what practical role do they plan in it's everyday function . I argue if it's little to none then it might as well not be a state mandated church/religion if it has no pragmatic power .

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So ultimately huggies won nothing

[Ravenshire]

This is absurd, lol.

You expected any less with Huggies?

[Huggy Bear]

But a state it seems a contradiction  to have a state mandated church that not everyone has to be a member of. And this still does not refute the notion that Denmark is culturally secular . And that even if the church has mandated power how much exercises said power in reality is a key question. So even if religious institutions have a mandate in the government what practical role do they plan in it's everyday function . I argue if it's little to none then it might as well not be a state mandated church/religion if it has no pragmatic power .

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So ultimately huggies won nothing

This post is an excellent example of mental gymnastics 

Ironically he posted himself in the hall of shame...

[Shell B]

Just want to point out that everyone’s playing down a state religion they would normally rail against. I’m not taking sides in this one, but I’ve defined nicely noticed that and think it’s intreresting.

[Edwardo Piet]

Sweden is the least religious country in the world and most of the citizens are members of the church and they have no separation of church and state. It's considered routine to just sign up for the church despite the rampant atheism.

Meanwhile, America is highly religious and they have a separation of church and state.

[Amarok]

As i already pointed out a state religion that is voluntary is not much of a state religion . And considering the church does not seem to have any pragmatic power in Denmark  . It's presence seems more cremonial then actual governing power . And again considering  Denmark  provides freedom of religion and by theory from religion  which ultimately undermines a state religion . I again argue it's only a state religion in name not practice .  Which might as well be a secular government .

[Huggy Bear]

As i already pointed out a state religion that is voluntary is not much of a state religion . And considering the church does not seem to have any pragmatic power in Denmark  . It's presence seems more cremonial then actual governing power . And again considering  Denmark  provides freedom of religion and by theory from religion  which ultimately undermines a state religion . I again argue it's only a state religion in name not practice .  Which might as well be a secular government .

*emphasis mine*
Just stop.

The reason you guys lose arguments is because you insist on losing arguments... you're basically setting yourself up to fail. It's like your blind hatred of theists override your ability to reason.

It's Apparent you didn't read my full post.

http://atheistforums.org/thread-30615-po...#pid846133
http://www.trincoll.edu/depts/csrpl/rinv...enmark.htm

 Let me briefly summarize what the State-church system implies:

• According to the constitution (§ 54), the Lutheran-evangelic Church is the Danish People’s Church (“Folkekirke”), and is, as such, supported by the State, which means that the Lutheran-evangelic religion and its institutions and churches are given a favored place among religions in Danish society. All tax-paying citizens, regardless of their personal religious beliefs, thus contribute to the priests and bishops of the “Folkekirke.”

•  Practically all citizens are automatically born as members of the “Folkekirke.” Not to be so demands that the citizens take the initiative to leave the church. At present 83 percent of the Danish population belong to the “Folkekirke.”

 Denmark, then, from one point of view is clearly a Christian country—as are by the same standards the other Scandinavian countries.

This amalgamates into what I for want of a better label would label a secularised Lutheranism as a dominant cosmology in Denmark. Although Denmark (and Sweden) is a country in which most of the citizens by tradition belong to the State church, Christianity as a religion does not characterize the life of any large segment of the population.

[Shell B]

Sweden is the least religious country in the world and most of the citizens are members of the church and they have no separation of church and state. It's considered routine to just sign up for the church despite the rampant atheism.

Meanwhile, America is highly religious and they have a separation of church and state.

I don't think that's relevant. If you have a state-sanctioned religion, you're not a secular country. You have secular residents. It's a matter of semantics, but I know for a fact that if America all of a sudden had a state-sanctioned religion, we'd all be lamenting the fact that our country was no longer secular. State-sanctioned religions are bad, mm'kay?

[Edwardo Piet]

•  Practically all citizens are automatically born as members of the “Folkekirke.”

Rather like:

Sweden is the least religious country in the world and most of the citizens are members of the church and they have no separation of church and state. It's considered routine to just sign up for the church despite the rampant atheism.

Meanwhile, America is highly religious and they have a separation of church and state.