Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic

[Edwardo Piet]

1. Everything that begins to exist has a cause.
2. The universe began to exist.
3. Therefore, the universe has a cause.

This argument is definitely 100% valid.

I'm not so sure if it's sound though as what does it mean for something to begin to exist? Don't things already exist? Was there first something nonexistent that became existent and that is what is meant by it 'beginning to exist'? But then what the hell was it before it existed? Isn't 'something nonexistent' an incoherent concept? Don't only things that are contingent 'come into existence' and all that is really meant by that is the form of something changing into the form of something else, and that that something else that it changed into is considered another thing that has begun to exist?

When it comes to the totality of existence itself I don't think it makes any coherent sense to say that there was a time before it existed. Especially when you're including timeless existence as there definitely can't be a time before that.

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Was there a before?

Before what?

[Abaddon_ire]

No. There is no "category error" unless the premise only applies to one category and not the other. That is not the case here. 

1. Everything that begins to exist has a cause.
2. The universe began to exist.
3. Therefore, the universe has a cause.

Just because you can come up with categories, your "category error" charge is nonsense unless there is a category that somehow does not have a causal principle. Is there a category that has no causal principle? 

Bloody Kalam again.

P1. Everything that begins to exist has a case

False. And since P1 is false the whole argument fails, but nevertheless
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P2. The universe began to exist.

Did it? Were you there? How do you know this? Where is your Nobel prize?

C. Therefore, the universe has a cause.

Unsupported since P1 and P2 are falsified.

Goodnight Kalam, go home you are drunk.

[Edwardo Piet]

If something existed before the universe.... what was it?

That is the question. If something did exist before the universe.

There is a question if you accept that. Not an answer that is simply [insert God here]

[Raven Orlock]

Hey there, I would love ravens! I want that on my right shoulder.