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Will Lamb win?!
#21
RE: Will Lamb win?!
Does anyone actually, genuinely believe that the US is on the way to being a 'failed state'? There's problems with how things are now, and there will always be, but there's still nowhere else I'd rather live. Shit, things back in the Vietnam days with the government literally killing protesters against the war and the insanity that was Nixon and the conscious prolonging of the war for an election win was waaaay worse.
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#22
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(March 14, 2018 at 9:54 am)alpha male Wrote:
(March 14, 2018 at 8:48 am)tjakey Wrote: In spite of the ongoing disaster that is the Trump / Republican party, if Lamb wins it will be by only a handful of votes. Nearly half the voters in this country are still happily pushing for the USA to gain shit hole status in the world. That is hardly something to cheer about. When Republicans start going down in double digit losses to real progressive candidates (assuming Democrats actually become a functioning progressive party) or millions of us start taking to the streets, storming offices and tossing servants of the ruling class (and maybe some of the ruling class themselves) out on the street...then, maybe, one can hope for some future.

Until then the downward trajectory to becoming a failed state continues.

If we're on our way to becoming a failed state, that means we're currently a successful state.

If progressive action is still needed, that means such progress hasn't yet happened.

So, we became successful by not  being progressive.

Exact opposite.  Trump is a right-wing extremist who caters to right-wing extremists; just look at his judicial appointments.  A return to Democratic control will, at a minimum, mean the maintaining of the status quo.  The election of Lamb in a heavily Republican district is a repudiation of the Tea Party and evangelical Christian fundamentalist political policies, at least by the majority.
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#23
RE: Will Lamb win?!
(March 14, 2018 at 10:30 am)Jehanne Wrote:
(March 14, 2018 at 9:54 am)alpha male Wrote: If we're on our way to becoming a failed state, that means we're currently a successful state.

If progressive action is still needed, that means such progress hasn't yet happened.

So, we became successful by not  being progressive.

Exact opposite.  Trump is a right-wing extremist who caters to right-wing extremists; just look at his judicial appointments.  A return to Democratic control will, at a minimum, mean the maintaining of the status quo.  The election of Lamb in a heavily Republican district is a repudiation of the Tea Party and evangelical Christian fundamentalist political policies, at least by the majority.

If one watches the entire new COSMOS series with Neil deGrasse Tyson, he touches upon the subject of backlash to change in our species, in just about every episode. He brings up many examples in world history, that when those in society make a discovery that the powers feel threatened by, the powers try to keep a lid on that progress and or squash it.

Humans do not like their social norms upset, and change is hard for many, and that is why you are seeing the right flip it's lid today. But the good part of our species is that others can and do find ways to get past that stubborn stagnation of trying to cling to the past.
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#24
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It doesn't matter if Lamb wins in the district that no longer exists. The fact that it's this close is a win for the Dems. I've heard GOP strategists are a bit worried (but midterms after a presidential election almost always favor the opposing party)
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(March 14, 2018 at 11:33 am)Aegon Wrote: It doesn't matter if Lamb wins in the district that no longer exists. The fact that it's this close is a win for the Dems. I've heard GOP strategists are a bit worried (but midterms after a presidential election almost always favor the opposing party)

Not when you look at the balance of power of all three branches since Reagan. 

The GOP ON AVERAGE since Reagan, have held more power when it comes to the House and Senate and SCOTUS. The GOP nationwide also has more state governorships in that time on average. 

It does no good to flip one house of congress or even both if we lose in another 2 or 4 years. The GOP thinks long term and nationwide and that is why they have held a longer average overall. 

It is not as equal as your post would imply. It isn't just a matter of flipping seats, it is also a matter of gaining and keeping seats long term. It is also a matter of paying attention to all elections local, state and not just congress or presidential.
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(March 14, 2018 at 11:49 am)Brian37 Wrote:
(March 14, 2018 at 11:33 am)Aegon Wrote: It doesn't matter if Lamb wins in the district that no longer exists. The fact that it's this close is a win for the Dems. I've heard GOP strategists are a bit worried (but midterms after a presidential election almost always favor the opposing party)

Not when you look at the balance of power of all three branches since Reagan. 

The GOP ON AVERAGE since Reagan, have held more power when it comes to the House and Senate and SCOTUS. The GOP nationwide also has more state governorships in that time on average. 

It does no good to flip one house of congress or even both if we lose in another 2 or 4 years. The GOP thinks long term and nationwide and that is why they have held a longer average overall. 

It is not as equal as your post would imply. It isn't just a matter of flipping seats, it is also a matter of gaining and keeping seats long term. It is also a matter of paying attention to all elections local, state and not just congress or presidential.

Look at the history of midterm elections. Congress is literally always majority held by the opposing party (not the presidents party), even post-Reagan. If not in their first term certainly by their second. When a new president comes in of a different party it flips. This will most likely to continue to be true this November. That's what I was saying.
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Well, we could review the long litany of failings; infrastructure, education, environment, income inequality, civil rights, woman’s rights, consumer protection, worker safety, bank regulations, tax reform. We could recall that, after 17 years of continuous war, nothing has changed in the terror department. In spite of what we spend on it and how much we worship the “war fighters”, the US military is essentially impotent. All it is really good at is consuming resources and churning out casualties. Maybe putting on a good parade will be something they can manage. But I’m not sure I would bet on it.

We might consider the relevancy of a civilization that clings to religions long shown to make claims that are outright false. This isn’t to say the those who made the original claims were lying, they simply didn’t know better. But we know better now, and have no excuse for clinging to illusions. Particularly when those illusions drive us to make foolish choices like devastating the only environment we know that can support life, making unsustainable population growth a matter of obedience, and continuing support for the oppression of women and minorities. I know this is a place where religion is routinely panned, but we are in the minority and have absolutely no impact on the county’s leadership or their fidelity to religious extremism.

In spite of all the evidence to the contrary we continue to boast that the US has no equals anywhere, that we are the absolute best country in the world. Hubris, greed, and ego are the definition of the American experience. Also consumerism, lust, violence, and celebrity.

Characteristics that are as much a part of the Democratic party as they are of the Republican. Would Hillary have been a better president? I guess that depends on the measure you use. Would she have ended the wars? Would universal health care be on the table? Would she be dramatically hiking taxes on her own donor class while breaking up the Wall Street banks and openly supporting unions? Would a $15/hr minimum wage really make a difference so long as companies have a 100 different loopholes to keep from paying it out? The Paris accord was a weak, nearly toothless agreement in the first place. Would Hillary have led the effort to really address climate change?

Would anyone in the US, where 5% of the world’s population consumes roughly 25% or the world’s output in resources, support her if she did?

I don’t know that we were ever a great country but, once upon a time one could make the argument that we were trying. I don’t think you can make that argument now.
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#28
RE: Will Lamb win?!
(March 14, 2018 at 11:59 am)Aegon Wrote:
(March 14, 2018 at 11:49 am)Brian37 Wrote: Not when you look at the balance of power of all three branches since Reagan. 

The GOP ON AVERAGE since Reagan, have held more power when it comes to the House and Senate and SCOTUS. The GOP nationwide also has more state governorships in that time on average. 

It does no good to flip one house of congress or even both if we lose in another 2 or 4 years. The GOP thinks long term and nationwide and that is why they have held a longer average overall. 

It is not as equal as your post would imply. It isn't just a matter of flipping seats, it is also a matter of gaining and keeping seats long term. It is also a matter of paying attention to all elections local, state and not just congress or presidential.

Look at the history of midterm elections. Congress is literally always majority held by the opposing party (not the presidents party), even post-Reagan. If not in their first term certainly by their second. When a new president comes in of a different party it flips. This will most likely to continue to be true this November. That's what I was saying.

You're missing my point. That may be true, but is misleading. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidents...f_Congress

Look at the overall picture between the END of WW2 and how power had shifted after 1980. Dems had a majority control on average under Reagan, but because of Reagan's union busting, deregulation, and "don't tax the rich", that domino lead to the swing.

You look at all the blue during the POST WW2 boom, vs the majority Red ON AVERAGE we have seen for decades now.

That chart in the article clearly shows that the same economic conservative policies lead to the great depression AND Bush's great recession. Reagan simply started that strategy again.
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#29
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(March 14, 2018 at 11:49 am)Brian37 Wrote: The GOP thinks long term and nationwide and that is why they have held a longer average overall. 

And that's why with every election they're disenfranchising more and more people. Expect by 2030 that the only people in the US with a vote will be called Koch or Walton.
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