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Christian Privilege
#31
RE: Christian Privilege
(March 19, 2018 at 9:56 am)Grandizer Wrote:
(March 19, 2018 at 12:48 am)paulpablo Wrote: I don't know about focusing on the wrong argument. I just briefly mentioned that you saying something exists because it exists is circular reasoning, it's nothing major, I already said that.

What's that saying about missing the forest for the trees? Yeah, you're nitpicking, even after I emphasized that this wasn't the actual argument I was making there. Just move on.

Quote:No I don't believe that you can have white male privilege and not have the privilege a white man has.

You missed the key word "or". Consider rereading my post to see where you went wrong in your reading comprehension.

Quote:A white male has no set level of privilege, we're all different, there's a lot of us.

Then you don't accept the reality of white male privilege. And so I think, despite what you're arguing, you deny the reality of privilege as it is intended to mean in sociology.


I'm not missing the forest for the trees, I'm pointing out minor circular reasoning that would have been dropped several responses ago if it didn't keep on being brought up repetitively.

I'm assuming you don't believe white males have one set level of privilege if you believe Christian white males have more privilege than Muslim white males?

You're most likely right that I don't agree with any sort phrase using an adjective followed by the word privilege as used in sociology.  It's not an outright disagreement of the whole idea, I just see flaws in the way people usually use these phrases and definitely lists made listing these privileges as they're usually very flawed. 
You've already said "Muslim privilege" is not a legitimate sociology term yet we both agree Muslim privilege exists. If sociology as a way of thinking/topic dismisses one groups privilege as illegitimate but focuses on another groups then it seems to be bias and flawed anyway.

The white collar job you're talking about has been made up by your imagination, I don't know who's in charge or who conducts the interviews.  In my job I have three supervisors, one atheist and two Muslim.  They generally conduct the interviews and at the moment it's mainly Muslims who are being hired, possibly because a lot of Muslims live in the area where the main offices are, I don't think it's actually any bias on behalf of the supervisors because I know how many Muslims come for the job usually due to the area.  As for the upper levels of the company, I think the CEO is Jewish female, at least culturally, I don't know her religious beliefs.
Me being called John, Paul, George or even Ringo wouldn't change anything that I can see.

I imagine if there's a job with a hardcore Christian who actually cares about Christian names hiring I imagine they'd very consciously pick out Christian names.  In this case I'd probably be privileged, unless they had a conversation with me about Christianity then I'd be fucked.

(March 19, 2018 at 11:07 am)Khemikal Wrote: Would you rather be perceived as a white christian male when facing assault charges or a black muslim?  
(notice it doesn't matter if you're actually an atheist that passes for white, for example)

If the gender of the black muslim isn't specified and I get to choose then I'd choose black Muslim female. I predict statistically being female will be the biggest advantage to getting a shorter sentence for the same crime.


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#32
RE: Christian Privilege
(March 19, 2018 at 11:27 am)paulpablo Wrote:
(March 19, 2018 at 11:07 am)Khemikal Wrote: Would you rather be perceived as a white christian male when facing assault charges or a black muslim?  
(notice it doesn't matter if you're actually an atheist that passes for white, for example)

If the gender of the black muslim isn't specified and I get to choose then I'd choose black Muslim female.  I predict statistically being female will be the biggest advantage to getting a shorter sentence for the same crime.

You can't help yourself, can you, lol?  Fine.  You'd, step out of the question, though..but not decide to be perceived as a a white christian female....instead?

I can't imagine why...you live in the UK..right? Black females get hammered with sentences twice as long as white females. Here in the states, it;s even more amusing...as the gender disparity plays on the race disparity and while the average sentence for females is lower that;s only so because white females are almost uniquely likely to avoid any sentence whatsoever, whilst black females can and often are given longer sentences than white males for a given crime despite the averages.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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#33
RE: Christian Privilege
(March 19, 2018 at 11:52 am)Khemikal Wrote:
(March 19, 2018 at 11:27 am)paulpablo Wrote: If the gender of the black muslim isn't specified and I get to choose then I'd choose black Muslim female.  I predict statistically being female will be the biggest advantage to getting a shorter sentence for the same crime.

You can't help yourself, can you, lol?  Fine.  You'd, step out of the question, though..but not decide to be perceived as a a white christian female....instead?

I can't imagine why...you live in the UK..right?  Black females get hammered with sentences twice as long as white females.

I'd be whatever demographic gets the statistical advantage, I've said previously that I believe privileges exist.  I'd pick either the elderly white or east asian female.  Disabled if possible, with young children.


Are you ready for the fire? We are firemen. WE ARE FIREMEN! The heat doesn’t bother us. We live in the heat. We train in the heat. It tells us that we’re ready, we’re at home, we’re where we’re supposed to be. Flames don’t intimidate us. What do we do? We control the flame. We control them. We move the flames where we want to. And then we extinguish them.

Impersonation is treason.





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#34
RE: Christian Privilege
The majority demographic gets the advantage of privilege, barring some unique power structure like a colonial relationship.  Obviously, a country with a colonial history -and- a majority demo still in authority get's privilege on both barrels.  

This is the sort of privilege being discussed. It's not "well, If I wanted to get a job at the local takeout place I'd want to have a chinese name and face".
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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