I will become Atheist if.....

[Brian37]

There won't be a point to them until you can muster up a little honest self awareness, at least.  Do you value that.....?  Does your god?

Let's just end it. 

I don't think you guys can really perceive what I am saying just like you guys think I can't perceive what your saying.

It's a vicious cycle. Both think each other as fools.

If you are right, we will never know. And if I am right, boy, one day we will know.

These discussions have been rehashed over and over again. They will start and end the same way.

Stop it dude.

The only person NEEDLESSLY torturing yourself here is YOU. It is not "vicious" on our part. It is your own inability to consider that you got it wrong.

Your problem isn't that you debate us, your problem is your inability to look in the mirror. 

If you can understand why you reject the claims of Hindus, and Buddhists and Jews and Christians, take that same logic and LOOK IN THE MIRROR.

AND, we are NOT being unfair to you. I have said countless times, I'd say to anyone of any religion the same thing. "LOOK IN THE MIRROR"

The only difference between an atheist, and a theist, be they Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, the only difference is that we reject one more claim than the believer does.

I have been at online debate for 16 years, almost every single day. I have debated every religion you can think of. 

If you are basing your truth claims on the old writings of antiquity, NO MATTER WHERE IN THE WORLD, NO MATTER THE LABEL, my response is going to be the same.

"You may be a nice person, but that was then, this is now."

[LadyForCamus]

I thought you weren’t going to talk about god and religion here anymore? That lasted like...a month.

[Joods]

I thought you weren’t going to talk about god and religion here anymore?  That lasted like...a month.

Might as well lump him in with people who say they are going to leave or take a break and that lasts for all of five milliseconds. 

It's an addiction, I tell ya! 

[jaygreen]

I believe that children are the future.

[Silver]

Okay, Whitney.

[Joods]

Okay, Whitney.  

[LadyForCamus]

MK, ask yourself this: Could our species survive if we didn’t care about each other’s well being? How many babies would survive to childhood if mothers threw them out of a third story window every time they screamed in the middle of the night? If we don’t care about each other, we go instinct.

[Brian37]

I believe that children are the future.

And EYEYEYEYE WILL ALWAYS LOVE ABBA.

[Edwardo Piet]

I thought you weren’t going to talk about god and religion here anymore?  That lasted like...a month.

Wow! That was a quick month! Lol.

I Slack messaged ya. Don't be freaked out by the first few messages. I promise they're fun!

* Edwardo Piet runs off

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If we don’t care about each other, we go instinct.

And it's our biological extinct to not go instinct

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I believe that children are the future.

I believe that what hasn't happened yet is the future.

Each to their own

[Mister Agenda]

I am getting awfully bored...so I am going to give you guys the best opportunity to bring me to the dark side which will allow me to do all these things I really want to do but restrict myself from doing!


1. You can rationally justify belief in a value of a human being in the framework of Atheism (and I am using this definition as in non-belief in supernatural gods).
2. You can rationally justify you being the same person as a child with that framework, that despite all the changes, you are the same person.
3. You can rationally justify your actions being linked to who you are and there is a such thing as "better" or "worse" when it comes to humans.
4.  You can rationally justify the belief in justice with your framework.
5. You can rationally justify the nature of love that has language that judges all things and gives value to all things from your framework.

I am not saying you have to do all 5. You can do 1. Trust me, my faith will fall and shred, if you can and I'm not joking.  It will shred.

So ball is in your court.

Personally, I'd prefer you stay a theist until you can construct challenges that are coherent. There's only one reason to be an atheist, not being able to believe any deities are real. Five different ways of trying to shift the burden of proof is theist territory, and you're clearly not ready to venture outside of it.

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But I just want to see you justify framework of our humanity that no human does without the framework of Atheism. If you can justify any of the above in the framework of Atheism, I will leave Theism, because my Theism is built on the impossibility to justify any of these things from the framework of Atheism.

Atheism is not and cannot be a framework. It's just not believing in God, a single opinion on a single topic. It shouldn't even be capitalized unless it's at the beginning of a sentence or part of formal name (like International Society of Atheists or something). Theism isn't a framework either, buddy. It's just the belief that at least one deity really exists.

Your framework isn't theism. It's Islam. Islam is not theism, it is not a form of theism, it is a theistic religion. Theism is an adjective that applies to the Islamic religion. Buddhism is roughly agnostic, with room for atheism or theism. Humanism is atheistic in the sense that theism is superfluous to that moral philosophy. All these years and you're still making the category error of equating atheism to a religion.

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Does the Atheist framework work with what we are experiencing in the human experience.

If you can show it works.  You will shatter my faith.

You're incapable of learning that there is no 'Atheist Framework'. It's your own invention, or you got it off some other theist, it has nothing to do with us. If you can't learn that simple concept after years of exposure, why bother to try to convince you of anything?