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RE: Pope says in interview that there is no hell.
April 15, 2018 at 6:38 pm
(April 15, 2018 at 4:36 pm)FFaith Wrote: The Vaticans response sounds like total BS, denying that an interview even took place. I'm not surprised at all to find out that the Pope may have said there is no hell. He's always saying similar things, like atheists can be redeemed by doing good, or "who am I to judge the gays?" Maybe the Pope said it to try to make everyone happy. Those who are against the idea of hell will like him more, and he has plausible deniability for those who want to believe that the Pope still believes in hell. Maybe that's why he chose to say it in an interview that was not being recorded.
More plausibly, he was misrepresented and/or quoted out of context.
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RE: Pope says in interview that there is no hell.
April 16, 2018 at 2:10 pm
(April 15, 2018 at 6:38 pm)Grandizer Wrote: (April 15, 2018 at 4:36 pm)FFaith Wrote: The Vaticans response sounds like total BS, denying that an interview even took place. I'm not surprised at all to find out that the Pope may have said there is no hell. He's always saying similar things, like atheists can be redeemed by doing good, or "who am I to judge the gays?" Maybe the Pope said it to try to make everyone happy. Those who are against the idea of hell will like him more, and he has plausible deniability for those who want to believe that the Pope still believes in hell. Maybe that's why he chose to say it in an interview that was not being recorded.
More plausibly, he was misrepresented and/or quoted out of context.
Maybe, but why would the Vatican then need to lie about an interview even taking place? Why not just tell us what the Pope really said or meant to say? I don't think the interviewer accidentally misrepresented what the Pope said. I think that either the interviewer is telling the truth, or he's just plain making things up to slander the Pope on purpose.
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RE: Pope says in interview that there is no hell.
April 16, 2018 at 2:17 pm
It takes a pope saying it to make us believe that?
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RE: Pope says in interview that there is no hell.
April 16, 2018 at 4:27 pm
(April 15, 2018 at 4:36 pm)FFaith Wrote: The Vaticans response sounds like total BS, denying that an interview even took place. I'm not surprised at all to find out that the Pope may have said there is no hell. He's always saying similar things, like atheists can be redeemed by doing good, or "who am I to judge the gays?" Maybe the Pope said it to try to make everyone happy. Those who are against the idea of hell will like him more, and he has plausible deniability for those who want to believe that the Pope still believes in hell. Maybe that's why he chose to say it in an interview that was not being recorded.
Well, in all fairness, the journalist's technique was somewhat irresponsible. Not taking notes or anything, and then paraphrasing the Pope on the matter leaves us without a reliable account of just what the Pope did say. That's probably fine for uncontroversial stuff, but claims like this one require considerably more backing.
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RE: Pope says in interview that there is no hell.
April 16, 2018 at 7:26 pm
(April 16, 2018 at 2:10 pm)FFaith Wrote: (April 15, 2018 at 6:38 pm)Grandizer Wrote: More plausibly, he was misrepresented and/or quoted out of context.
Maybe, but why would the Vatican then need to lie about an interview even taking place? Why not just tell us what the Pope really said or meant to say? I don't think the interviewer accidentally misrepresented what the Pope said. I think that either the interviewer is telling the truth, or he's just plain making things up to slander the Pope on purpose.
Francis talks out of "both ends"; it's a way to placate liberals and conservatives, in order to maximize revenue and influence. His modality is the classic Marxian dialectic (or, "diuretic", depending on one's POV!)
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RE: Pope says in interview that there is no hell.
April 16, 2018 at 8:05 pm
(April 16, 2018 at 7:26 pm)Jehanne Wrote: (April 16, 2018 at 2:10 pm)FFaith Wrote: Maybe, but why would the Vatican then need to lie about an interview even taking place? Why not just tell us what the Pope really said or meant to say? I don't think the interviewer accidentally misrepresented what the Pope said. I think that either the interviewer is telling the truth, or he's just plain making things up to slander the Pope on purpose.
Francis talks out of "both ends"; it's a way to placate liberals and conservatives, in order to maximize revenue and influence. His modality is the classic Marxian dialectic (or, "diuretic", depending on one's POV!)
Which isn't such a bad thing in my opinion.
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RE: Pope says in interview that there is no hell.
April 16, 2018 at 8:53 pm
(April 16, 2018 at 8:05 pm)SaStrike Wrote: (April 16, 2018 at 7:26 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Francis talks out of "both ends"; it's a way to placate liberals and conservatives, in order to maximize revenue and influence. His modality is the classic Marxian dialectic (or, "diuretic", depending on one's POV!)
Which isn't such a bad thing in my opinion.
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