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Why do so many Christians claim to be former Atheists?
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 (April 1, 2018 at 5:47 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Morbid interest....what stupid argument did you make and believe in? Oh ok, to disbelieve. The value that is earned is more valuable that unearned. God doesn't earn his value. Therefore God can't be the Ultimate valued being, rather, humans who struggle and earn their value, have more worth.
That would definitely be a stupid argument for atheism, lol.
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RE: Why do so many Christians claim to be former Atheists?
April 1, 2018 at 5:53 pm
(This post was last modified: April 1, 2018 at 5:56 pm by Mystic.)
Yet most supported it way back when I came with it.
 Basically saying ultimate eternal value and earning value is a paradox. IF the latter is more valuable that being given it without earning it, the eternal value can't be the source. Yet without a source, there really can't be earned value. Hence my nihilistic realization which lead me to even think perhaps the universe is created and maintained by evil demons (never shared that with you guys, but I believed it was possible). RE: Why do so many Christians claim to be former Atheists?
April 1, 2018 at 5:57 pm
(This post was last modified: April 1, 2018 at 6:00 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(April 1, 2018 at 5:53 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Yet most supported it way back when I came with it. Probably because the argument would be true of value, and of our relatively higher worth, the way you describe and define it. It's a bad argument for atheism because atheism is only concerend with one thing..whether or not there are gods. A dirtbag god worth less than the least of us would still be a god. You wouldn;t have been the first person to believe the bit about the demons..though. It was a popular component of mystery religions.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
RE: Why do so many Christians claim to be former Atheists?
April 1, 2018 at 6:01 pm
(This post was last modified: April 1, 2018 at 6:03 pm by Mystic.)
No a god is defined as deserving highest level of value from humans. If the God existed, it would be a paradox from this perspective, and at least all my arguments for ultimate greatness would die out.
Case in point, there are people who don't believe in a Creator but big bang theory, and believe in gods as in multiple gods. RE: Why do so many Christians claim to be former Atheists?
April 1, 2018 at 6:04 pm
(This post was last modified: April 1, 2018 at 6:06 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
That may be something you believe about a god..but a god doesn't have to be the highest yadda yadda yadda to be a god. We've imagined plenty of dirtbag gods. Your argument, at best, could have only been an indication that -your- god requirements were unworkable.
Which, they are. It leaves the door open to more gods than can be counted offhand, even so.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Nah, it's a reworking of myths that take any unseen non-human entity as definition of a god.
A god is what is valued most by humans. You and your wife are gods to you, whether you admit or not. And I've come to realize, that's impossible not to value, it was impossible, no matter how much I rationalized that it was impossible for their to be objective value or subjective value. But the doubt and skepticism hurt me so much, I needed to know, that there was such a thing as value.
It seems as if either way the wind blows you on any particular thing..the rationalizations will be equally poor.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(April 1, 2018 at 6:09 pm)Khemikal Wrote: It seems as if either way the wind blows you on any particular thing..the rationalizations will be equally poor. You guys aren't honest to face the fact without God there is no such thing as value. It's convenient not to. But I realized it was impossible with the evolution myth of naturalism, for it to be so. I knew it was impossible, and I even had a discussion. Yet at that time, ultimate value seemed impossible to. And so valueless world seem like reality.
All you're telling me is that you never argued yourself into atheism, Mystic, lol.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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