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Why the vision argument is a very good one!
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Why the vision argument is a very good one!
We are hidden. It's really quite simple.  

Look at your phone or computer or something complex, yet, you use it simply.    We are in a way very complex and we have layers and layers to who we are. This is true regardless if God exists or not. If a soul exists or not. 

Before we knew anything about nerves, we were able to move our hands.

You don't know what goes behind every single action of yours, you don't have an exact proper assessment to who you are or in fact, to any of your states and hence any of your actions.

This is because the details are abstracted.   The personality and how it's generated is abstracted from you.

Keep this in mind. You don't know the details. You get some sort of fuzzy image. The thing is let's say you wear glasses and you see something fuzzy, it doesn't mean there isn't an actual accurate reality to it. The thing is you yourself are an accurate reality. 

You are. Whatever you are and whatever generates you, generates an accurate reality. But you aren't a reality that is divorced from perception. Perception and you go hand to hand.
Like sea is made out of water,  your "personhood" is made out of vision. Even when you do an action for the future, you project before you do it, a vision of you doing it, then put to play. And when you think of your past self at a given time, you project images of who you through perception.  

Now the proposition is you don't have all the details of what makes you: you. This is true again regardless if God exists or not.

We aren't given the knowledge of the self but a little in both ways.  There is so much to what generates us, and we don't get it.

Yet remember, whatever we sense of ourselves is through some sort of image and vision.

I propose a long with our non-complete and sometimes totally misguided perception of ourselves,  there is to be an accurate maintaining vison of who we are in accurate way. That is just as you can't exist without vision in some sense, the accurate detail who you are has to have an accurate vision.

Now I propose because your actions are in reality detailed ways that we don't perceive all the details, something that maintains who we are has to know these details, and know exactly what value we ought to get through our actions.

That is it knows the subtle fine accurate details of every good deed and every evil deed. That which makes us inherit our actions knows us inside out, and must know our circumstances.

The subconscious I propose cannot be that, because, it didn't have access to all the details more then you or anything like that.   It doesn't know all the details to asses your situation either.  It sees through a fuzzy vision as well, but can't be the maintainer of the accurate you.

I propose further that only the best and perfect judgment can perceive you accurately.  Any imperfection with respect to the judgment would make you inaccurate.  It perceives things exactly how they are.

Now if you deny their is an exact accurate you, I will propose this. What are you estimating? And on what grounds?  If you say it's good enough and close enough to what you are, you are saying there is an accurate you, you just don't know it.

In fact, it's non-sense to say there is no accurate you.  It's the foremost thing we witness and know,  we may doubt the existence of the whole world, but not that we exist.

What you are is then a fundamental starting point. Yet who we are is the greatest mystery. No one can possibly know what and who we are, but the absolute being. 

In fact, if you really reflect, you really mirror that self and see the light it exists by, you see that you exists through vision of God.

You can't be divorced from the vision of God. There is nothing ambiguous about this. You do an action, you forget it, it doesn't mean it's gone. Not part of you. God records it and maintains your value accurately.

Neither can a biological brain do it neither can the highest of all beings do it aside from God, it's only God the most High, that sees your personhood with perfect judgment and you can't accurately exist without perfect judgement and you accurately exist.

QED:  God has been absolutely proven.
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#2
RE: Why the vision argument is a very good one!
Are you sure you're not a bot trawling the Islamic forums and randomly posting shit here?

You, my friend are funny! (but not in a good way). Are all muslims funny like you? Atlas, help me out here?
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear.
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RE: Why the vision argument is a very good one!
You’re simply asserting objective value. Again. Without evidence. Again.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”

Wiser words were never spoken. 
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RE: Why the vision argument is a very good one!
LFC, if any theist cared about evidence, they wouldn't be theists.

he's out of control, check out his latest! lol!


He's one for you MK.

Quote:"Why the vision smell argument is a very good one!"

Because skeptical people can smell it a mile away!  hehehe
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RE: Why the vision argument is a very good one!
I'm 100% sure this is schizophrenia + high IQ manifesting as garbage.
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RE: Why the vision argument is a very good one!
That makes absolutely no sense to me I'm afraid.

But what does it matter? Many/most of us have said that we're not interested in worshiping it even if it's real, especially if it's one of the Abrahamic versions.
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RE: Why the vision argument is a very good one!
Quote:God has been absolutely proven.

Your capacity for self-delusion is truly remarkable.
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#8
RE: Why the vision argument is a very good one!
Potatoes.

QED: Spud the Potato God is proven.

Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni:

"You did WHAT?  With WHO?  WHERE???"
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#9
RE: Why the vision argument is a very good one!
MK's logic boils down to - "I took a shit today therefore god."

Sad, really.
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RE: Why the vision argument is a very good one!
(April 17, 2018 at 1:19 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: Potatoes.

QED: Spud the Potato God is proven.

Never knew the eating of French fries is a holy sacrament.

(April 17, 2018 at 1:21 am)Minimalist Wrote: MK's logic boils down to - "I took a shit today therefore god."

Sad, really.

It’s really sad how he abuse the one brain cell he has that is already on life support.
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