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How can you explain the miracle of the Holy Fire?
How can you explain the miracle of the Holy Fire?
It's been claimed that the Patriarch can dip his candles in white phosphorous so they spontaneously ignite but it's not limited to that. On
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starting from 3:15:00 you can see people having no regard for safety, holding candles close to face and clothes, and some even resting their palms over the fire.
And then there's this.
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"On Easter 2008, the cracked column was the subject of Andrey Volkov’s study. The Russian physicist sent high definition photographs of the crack to a scientific expert, Evgeny Michailovich Morozov,6 who is considered one of the top researchers in the world in the field of Fracture Mechanics7 and Physics of Strength of Materials.

Professor Evgeny Michailovich Morozov and his latest scientific work entitled 

Mechanics of Elastic-plastic Fracture,8 which presents the findings of contemporary laboratory research concerning the theory of fractures and examines issues of the behaviour of objects that have suffered fractures – from the criteria of their development to more complex problems of Fracture Mechanics.

This coincidence, that on exactly the Easter when the Fire did not descend, the fracture appeared – is that not a miracle? Of course one could say that all of this was a setup and that the fracture in the column had been created using artificial means. We turned for information to Evgeny Michailovich Morozov, who is a leading expert in the field of Fracture Mechanics not only in Russia, but in the entire world, and has written more than 800 scientific papers on this subject. Evgeny Michailovich examined the high definition photographs of the fracture and declared explicitly that this could only appear as a result of electrical discharge; such is its structure. What does this mean? That it was completely impossible for anyone to manufacture this fracture: imagine how powerful a transformer one would need, and particularly in the sixteenth century, when people had no idea about the existence of electrical energy!
Undoubtedly, the scientific opinion of Evgeny Morozov carries great weight and confirms the written sources that mention the miraculous splitting of the column. But I wanted a second opinion on the matter and so I turned to one of the leading Greek scientists in the field of Fracture Mechanics, Professor George Α. Papadopoulos10 of the University of Athens, to whom I sent high definition photographs of the fracture.

Professor Papadopoulos, having examined the photographs, judged that the fracture of the column was indeed caused by an electrical discharge which occurred simultaneously with a seismic wave directed upwards. This combined pressure on the column – electrical discharge plus seismic wave – he believes to be inexplicable and he consequently arrived at the conclusion that “one could only speak of a miracle.”
Professor Papadopoulos, in response to a related email request from me, states the following:
Dear Mr. Skarlakidis,
Thank you for your email dated 31/1/2010. I believe I can be of assistance to your worthy project.
For the last thirty-five years I have been working with Experimental Fracture Mechanics at the Physics of Strength of Materials Laboratory of the National University of Athens and I believe wherever there is no scientific explanation, there is a miracle.
I have no reason to doubt the Munich Library manuscript dated to 1634 which gives an account of the miraculous manner of the rupture of the column as well as what ensued: that the Greek patriarch used this Fire to light his candle. I do not believe it is possible to doubt a miracle and especially where there are related accounts.
By examining the fracture from the photographs, we could conclude that it is a result of combined pressure: a combination of electrical discharge (probably a strong lightning bolt) and a large seismic tremor. The electrical discharge, due to the high momentary temperature, embrittled the material in the column down the length of a narrow area (origin). The surface seismic wave put pressure on the column resulting in torsional oscillation (fatigue). This simultaneous pressure resulted in the fracture beginning at the base of the column and continuing upwards in a zigzag course (as it appears in the photograph the course of the fracture is not linear) along the length of the area made embrittled by the electrical discharge. If the above indeed occurred, in my opinion this simultaneous combined pressure of the column remains inexplicable. Therefore, one could speak only of a miracle.
Dear Mr. Skarlakidis I would like to offer my congratulations on your work and I wholeheartedly wish you great success.

George Α. Papadopoulos
Professor of Mechanics,
Physics of Strength of Materials Laboratory
National and Kapodistrian University of Athens"

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RE: How can you explain the miracle of the Holy Fire?
"Therefore, one could speak only of a miracle."

That is never, ever, true.
RE: How can you explain the miracle of the Holy Fire?
Welcome. This isn't the introduction forum so I am allowed to call you a cunt. But don't worry I won't do that.


(April 21, 2018 at 2:10 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: "Therefore, one could speak only of a miracle."

That is never, ever, true.

What does it even mean? It's impossible to talk about anything except miracles? Lol. I guess I must be talking about miracles then.

Is it trying to get at this?

Albert Einstein Wrote:There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.

Sounds pretty deflationary if you ask me. Reminds me of the part in the movie The Incredibles "When everyone's super, no one will be".

If everything is a miracle, nothing is.
RE: How can you explain the miracle of the Holy Fire?
OP: Wow, gosh, this changes everything.

Where do I go to convert?
I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem

RE: How can you explain the miracle of the Holy Fire?
Report doesn't exactly endorse the Patriarch as fronting for Gods One True Faith does it ?

We still have comparable miracle reports from other churches, schisms, denominations in the Christian orbit that are light years away doctrinally from any supposed Christian church with a 'Patriarch".

Topic starter is expecting his post to sway atheists, and it won't even nudge a faithful Christian attending a different Christian franchise.

How many times have we seen this failed tactic tried here ??
 The granting of a pardon is an imputation of guilt, and the acceptance a confession of it. 

RE: How can you explain the miracle of the Holy Fire?
I've had a holy fire in my pants, bad decisions.

Moses didn't exist anyway.
RE: How can you explain the miracle of the Holy Fire?
All "miracles" are a result of human gullibility in applying superstitious magical gap answers because that is actually easier than finding real answers.
RE: How can you explain the miracle of the Holy Fire?
Oh fuck how do I explain a miracle when we already assume it's a miracle that can't be explained?! Panic

Oh yeah, by not assuming that.
RE: How can you explain the miracle of the Holy Fire?
But I've read a website that says it's true. Go figure.
RE: How can you explain the miracle of the Holy Fire?
A one-hit wonder, no doubt.

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