The "scholars" hiding what is in the Quran and Sunnah.

[robvalue]

Really? Holy shit. I must have missed that part. Dollars to donuts some opportunist religious nut has capitalized on his vulnerability.

[KevinM1]

Really? Holy shit. I must have missed that part. Dollars to donuts some opportunist religious nut has capitalized on his vulnerability.

That's my assumption as well.

[downbeatplumb]

This should be interesting.

Wanna place a small wager on that?  Because I think it'll turn out to be boring beyond the power of human consciousness to grasp.

Boru

That's what I was thinking.

[Mystic]

We see even this thread, how humans can be very silly, with respect to how religion ought to be approached.  Despite so many flawed religions, the Atheists that commented, are making it out like it's lunacy to suspect the leaders who claim to represent a religion as frauds, yet still believe in the origin of the religion by it's original founder and his true successors.

If a religion out there is true, it has to teach a way religion ought to be approached by society, and warn the dangers that misguided nations in the past with respect to how they diverted from the religion.  And if religions were corrupted in the past, it's rational to believe the corrupters that attempt to corrupt would be found in this faith as well.

The deceivers, the liars, and manipulators of both Sunni and Shiites Islam are aware of both the verses that teach and warn against these dangers, and are well acquainted with the hadiths that manifest this as the proper interpretation, that is not found in one place, but many places in Quran.

They do their best to misinterpret both the Quran and many of these hadiths, and hide away and hush about these hadiths were possible, and misinterpret Quran where possible.

This includes the manipulator and deceiver Khomeini who I will show not only was aware of the proper interpretation and hadiths, but went in great lengths to hide and manipulate the masses with conjecture and hiding away much hadiths and taking verses out of context.  And I know he knew better. Tabatabai also is a calculative deceiver.

We will look in great lengths how they attempt to hide the truth.

[Angrboda]

If a religion out there is true, it has to teach a way religion ought to be approached by society, and warn the dangers that misguided nations in the past with respect to how they diverted from the religion.  And if religions were corrupted in the past, it's rational to believe the corrupters that attempt to corrupt would be found in this faith as well.

If...

[The Grand Nudger]

-and it doesn't even follow the if.  This is one of those "less than wrong" moments, imo.

-If- there is a true religion. Perhaps it's the true religion of a deity with no interest in teaching society shit, who enjoys the never ending gag reel of our societal and national mistakes, is revulsed by drawing us any nearer to itself, and intentionally corrupted human religions out of sheer boredom.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

If a religion out there is true, it has to teach a way religion ought to be approached by society, and warn the dangers that misguided nations in the past with respect to how they diverted from the religion.  And if religions were corrupted in the past, it's rational to believe the corrupters that attempt to corrupt would be found in this faith as well.

If...

How very Laconic of you...

Boru

[Mystic]

The following is a Sunni claim that Taqleed (imitating a scholar) is Islamic:

https://www.central-mosque.com/index.php...story.html

The following is a Shiite claim that Taqleed (imitating a scholar) is Islamic:

https://www.al-islam.org/articles/taqlid...mmad-rizvi

Taqlid in short means trusting another person who has researched Islam more then you to determine what Islam teaches as far as the laws and code goes.

We will see Quran and Sunnah teach the opposite, of what is claimed in the above articles. Later on we will look at arguments in "Islamic government" that were a series of lectures of Khomeini that established the concept of "the Mastery of the Jurist" (Wilayatal Faqih). We will see also of many hadiths he is very well aware of but doesn't show and how divocres ahadith and verses from their context and manipulates people pertaining to them.

[Edwardo Piet]

Some of these threads, such as this one, seem to be about debate within the Islamic community... and it already assumes Islam is true to begin with. How uninteresting is that?

Seems more like something to debate on an Islam forum if you're basically doing Islamic theology. None of us here even accepts Islam, let alone the details.

If you want specific parts of scripture refuted, go ahead. But theories about what is the correct form of Islam? Sheesh........ 99% of people here answer that question with the equivalent of "it's all bullshit."

[chimp3]

This thread will be about what scholars are hiding from Quran and Sunnah.  They don't want the masses to know this.

In synergy with this, I will be a long with exposing these frauds for what they are according to the very sources they claim to represent, be showing,  they work in synergy with Jinn and magic that obscure the Quran to the masses, and they count on masses not seeing the truth, and do their utmost to obscure was has been clarified in the Quran and Sunnah.

In fact, confirmation bias, culture bias, etc, all this... cannot account for the degree they make unclear what is otherwise very clear.

I don't give a flying fuck what is hidden in the Koran. I have my translation by A. Yusef Ali and it is iron age nonsense with no validity forfor my modern life.