porn and women

[Amarok]

So you think he was lying to appease to Christians when he said he was into violent porn? That makes no sense.

I think it's safe to assume he was telling the truth when he said he liked hardcore porn, and as we saw, it certainly didn't keep him from raping anyone...

Given that he didn't actually have any proper porn in his possession (the Ted Bundy documentary I posted earlier points this out), was, as a free man, someone who campaigned for Republicans, and wanted to be able to have some sort of excuse for what he did that somehow made him less culpable, it actually makes more sense than one might expect. Grooming people to think he was a good and trustworthy person was as much a part of his MO as latching onto girls who looked like his girlfriend and going up to them while feigning injuries. And in this case, it worked, hook, line, and sinker.

Yup i have seen a few wacko's try this and occasionally it works unfortunately.

[Homeless Nutter]

I guess I just don't think looking at porn as a teenager makes you less culpable of rape in your adult years. Seems like an odd excuse.

No, it's a typical excuse among christians, who get caught doing something wrong, illegal, or evil. Succumbing to temptation is something all christians can relate to. "I'm a good person, but I was led astray by Satan's naughty pictures" - is as good a defense as a serial rapist and murderer can have in the eyes of people, who have a religiously motivated anti-porn and anti-sex agenda.

[Rev. Rye]

I guess I just don't think looking at porn as a teenager makes you less culpable of rape in your adult years. Seems like an odd excuse.

It’s the old “society is to blame” excuse. Conservatives tend to hate it, except when the subject being demonized is one they already hate. Combine it with the old “I used to be one” story evangelicals love, and we get a perfect storm of bullshit specifically calculated to appeal to them.

[Catholic_Lady]

Well I am a Christian. And I can say that the thought of Ted indulging in rape porn as a teenager makes him come off all the more repulsive to me, not less.

I think I saw a while back ago someone on here asked if making children sex dolls and children sex robots would prevent pedophiles who would otherwise rape kids, from raping kids. Some people said yes. I was on the group who said no, on the grounds that it would only reinforce the perversion and the sexualization/objectification of children. It's the same principle here. I think giving rape porn to people who are already geared towards rape wouldn't help prevent them from raping.

[Cecelia]

So you think he was lying to appease to Christians when he said he was into violent porn? That makes no sense.

I think it's safe to assume he was telling the truth when he said he liked hardcore porn, and as we saw, it certainly didn't keep him from raping anyone...

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It makes perfect sense.  What better way to demonize porn than to tie it to a notorious serial killer?  You really don't see that?  Do you think it'd appeal to Christians more if he just said  "I was never into porn, or Satanism or anything else.  I just felt like murdering and raping a bunch of women (including a 13 year old girl)."  Giving them ammunition in their war against pornography, though?  Dobson got exactly what he wanted out of that interview. 

Having an excuse also made him more appealing to Christians, I'm sure.  "I was hurt by the evils of pornography! But I'm taking responsibility for my actions."  A politician couldn't have scripted it much better.   A lot of Christians LOVE a good redemption story.  Which is why so many of them vote for guys like Donald Trump and Newt Gingrich (that, and it's the best way to screw over the poor).
 
Heck, just look at how easy YOU buy his story, and play it exactly the way Dobson and Bundy intended all along.  "See, look porn is evil!!  Ted Bundy is proof, he said so!"

Here's some facts about Ted Bundy:

What Dobson (and probably Bundy) wants you to believe: He was raised by a normal Christian family, but was corrupted by the evils of pornography.

The truth: Bundy was raised by his grandfather until the age of four.  A man who was known to be abusive to people and animals.  (Obviously a Christian household, according to James Dobson.  Which is rather disturbing if you think about it.)  This was a man who threw his daughter (Ted's Aunt) down the stairs for oversleeping.  Bundy stated he looked up to his grandfather. 

This is so often omitted by people who bring up Bundy.  And with good reason.  It doesn't play to the anti-pornography angle that they want to play.

[robvalue]

(This is kind of a formal restatement of one of my earlier posts.)

If the answer was decided to be that porn is "bad for women", what actions could realistically be taken? I can only think of these:

1) Educate everyone better about porn itself, especially young teens, and regulate the industry better to improve conditions.

2) Tell women they "can't be in porn". Make it illegal.

I think option 2 would actually make the problems way worse, and option 1 should be being done anyway.

If people think porn is bad and think the solution is to try and force their kids never to watch it, even once they reach puberty, and to not discuss it with them at all, then I would say such people are actually adding to the problem.

[Catholic_Lady]

And just to be clear, since people seem to be getting hung up on Ted Bundy.... Ted having said he was into rapey porn is not the reason why I dont think rapey porn would help reduce rape. I dont think it would help because it doesn't make much logical sense that it would. It makes more logical sense that, if anything, giving someone with rapey tendencies rape porn, would only fuck them up even more. This is regardless of what Ted said.

[Minimalist]

Do you think pornography generally has harmful effects on women in our society? 

Curious to know people's opinions.

I don't think you can generalize.  It depends on the woman.

[Cecelia]

There's a difference between porn and porn that depicts violence. I think that's something that's being missed here. Some studies say that 88% of porn depicts violence against women. The problem with such a study is... how it defines violence. Another study done said only around 2% of porn depicts non-consensual violence (IE Violence where the other person is actively trying to avoid the experience, rather than smiling and enjoying it).

If porn were such a problem, after the advent of the internet you'd expect sexual assaults to have increased. Instead they've declined. It's not just in the US either, but other places saw similar decreases after legalizing pornography.

I'd say most people aren't attracted to non-consensual violence (which is why it's such a minority of porn in the first place). But spanking someone who enjoys it, and spanking someone who doesn't are two very different things.

[Amarok]

I think I saw a while back ago someone on here asked if making children sex dolls and children sex robots would prevent pedophiles who would otherwise rape kids, from raping kids. Some people said yes. I was on the group who said no, on the grounds that it would only reinforce the perversion and the sexualization/objectification of children. It's the same principle here. I think giving rape porn to people who are already geared towards rape wouldn't help prevent them from raping.

Accept their zero evidence it would do that and plenty it might do the contrary

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And just to be clear, since people seem to be getting hung up on Ted Bundy.... Ted having said he was into rapey porn is not the reason why I dont think rapey porn would help reduce rape. I dont think it would help because it doesn't make much logical sense that it would. It makes more logical sense that, if anything, giving someone with rapey tendencies rape porn, would only fuck them up even more. This is regardless of what Ted said.

In what universe does that make logical sense . At least no more than the proposition that allowing a venting of those impulses in a non destructive way .as letting it build will only make it worst .