DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[LastPoet]

You never applied any math here on this forum.

Poet asserts a value of 0 within this forum.

I figure that, a good balance, in a discussion forum.

[T0 Th3 M4X]

Poet asserts a value of 0 within this forum.

Nope

Argument easily refuted with a minimum requirement of one example.

Nope

Prediction - He/she will likely suggest some other variable even though said variable was never specified.

Nope

Conclusion - Derp!

Conclusion you are still wrong

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You never applied any math here on this forum.

But poet that means your refuted magically somehow .....

No magic. Just math.

Math don't care about your feelings, so sorry about your luck.

[LastPoet]

I feel someone is provoking. I feel blood in my jaws, just dripping. Tiz, this is the time we need help with trolls. Do not engage in kind.

[LastPoet]

No magic. Just math.

Math don't care about your feelings, so sorry about your luck.

Wait, were you engaging me or the amarok guy? You seem only certain in your attempt to provoke instead of discussing. What are you on?

[LastPoet]

I am waiting.

[Amarok]

Nope

Nope


Nope


Conclusion you are still wrong

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But poet that means your refuted magically somehow .....

No magic. Just math.

Math don't care about your feelings, so sorry about your luck.

Nope again 

And you are right which is why i'm not factoring in feelings .sorry about your luck.

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I feel someone is provoking. I feel blood in my jaws, just dripping.  Tiz, this is the time we need help with trolls. Do not engage in kind.

Okay i have had my fun

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I feel someone is provoking. I feel blood in my jaws, just dripping.  Tiz, this is the time we need help with trolls. Do not engage in kind.

Okay i have had my fun

[LastPoet]

Okay i have had my fun

Heh don't take offense, he is just not worth it. And I didn't spoke as a mod or any authority. You are being baited. Just like I was. Just a heads up.

[Amarok]

Okay i have had my fun

Heh don't take offense, he is just not worth it. And I didn't spoke as a mod or any authority. You are being baited. Just like I was. Just a heads up.

Ah i have kind of figured that by this point . Your are right he's not worth it .

[pocaracas]

As we both know, definitions are important.  I have no doubt that you know that already, even in terms of study, and based on the conversation so far.

As far as reality, I believe it can be both objective and subjective.  One of the emerging (I think) trends is virtual reality.  If you experience something with a VR headset, is it reality?  Is it factual as an experience if I stated this phenomenon in terms of "truth" and "reality."

Your experience is real, the sensory input is real.
But the origin of the experience is virtual.

The same can be said of dreams. Some dreams are too vivid. Some dreams get stored in memory as real events and experiences. But they pertain to events that never happened in reality.
I don't think that our experiences should hold too much weight in ascertaining reality, as they can easily relate to non real events.

But does the conception of the stimuli, the feelings, the visualization, and everything else involved make it real?  If you took a blind poll, I can imagine many would say "yes" and likewise many would say "no" based on how they perceive the world and attribute value to things. 

Is the reality inside the Matrix real?
(using the word "reality" here on purpose )

I don't think "truth" allows for that same option. Did I have an experience with a shark as defined by a dictionary?  (A: No, I had an experience with a computer simulation that attempted to replicate a shark.) If I claimed it was a "real" shark, people would probably tell me I was off my rocker.   Regardless, both concepts are important and I believe they can both be used to validate one another.  Additionally I'm sure I missed some variables in explaining this because there's so much that can go into discussing such a thing.

It's interesting that you would say that you'd be "off your rocker" when you claimed that the shark was real.
Nonetheless, you experienced a shark. It felt real to you. You would speak the truth when you say the shark felt real (had you not been aware that you were in a VR setup), but the shark would never be real.

I think this is the sort of thing that happens with many so-called divine experiences.
Something happens that is erroneously attributed to a paranormal event and, mostly due to society, that paranormality is connected with the divine as its only possible source.

Anyway, regardless of what you find favorable, I don't think my view is necessarily better than your view.  It's how I view life. If I was raised differently with and in regard to different variables, my conclusions may very well be different and match more closely to your views.  We are all subject to something.  Some say it's "God" and others say it's "Randomness" or even something else.  But regardless, I think humanity is optimal when we attempt to become "solution-based" rather than "problem-based."  That way we're looking for answers to things rather than just looking to make more problems.

Yes, I too think that our upbringing is the greatest drive towards a particular view. That alone informs us that our biases stem mostly from that upbringing, from the society around us.
Whether we attribute a divine cause or a physical one to a particular event, comes from the way each of us has experienced the world... makes you wonder at how many events that we have received from the ancient world have been tainted by societal biases... how many are trustworthy...

[T0 Th3 M4X]

Good explanation about the VR. I would have to say I agree there. Dreams are tricky because they exist as a real experience. Some say they can be predictors, and sometimes they are an extension of something else. I actually had two weird dreams Thursday night. They were similar but still different. I had to take one of the critters to the vet in the morning, and both dreams involved going to the vet. In the latter dream, somehow I managed to get to the vet, but I didn't have the cat with me (I have two hounds and two Siamese cats). Anyway, I think the dream might have been an extension of reality. When I have to wake up in the morning at a certain time, I can be fanatical about making sure it happens, so maybe the dream was an extension of that concern (just something to ponder).

With the Matrix. I would say it's probably real to the people within it, but those on the outside have a greater understanding of that reality. But then is raises a lot of questions about things like what is preferable for society or even when regulating drugs. If the drug hides the pain, is the pain still there? Conditionally yes, but conceptually no. But each holds weight in its own context.

I agree about the shark. It wasn't real, but my reactions at times was real. From there you could even make an argument for the importance of randomness. If the experience is the same 100 percent of the time, the impact will diminish. If I know when the shark is about to jump at me, then it can't serve its intended purpose.

Your closing statement was spot on. We are all products of our upbringing. We can always break from certain aspects, but we still carry it with us.