DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[T0 Th3 M4X]

@Max -

How do you know, or why do you believe that a personal god with a plan exists?  What leads you to that conclusion?

Life experience.  I've seen unimaginable things happen that have no real explanation outside of there being a God.  With that in mind, I feel a responsibility to understand what that means for me and how it might apply to the world around me.  I think part of finding something is being willing to look for it, but to be open about it.  Not in the sense of being ignorant or going out of my way to create something, but to genuinely understand.

[CDF47]

A current kingdom and the overthrows.

"The overthrows" were the maccabean revolt.  Daniel, you see, is set in the context of a folkloric hero of the 6th century, but daniel has two narrators, one supplying those details consonant with that personage..and another writing closer to 160bce who is ignorant of what any "daniel" of 600 bce would have been very familiar with.  The second narrator is the one that you think was engaging in prophecy, and a prophecy about some christ and some catholic church, no less!

The irony here, is that the maccabean revolt was a response to precisely those pagan heresies creeping into jewish society that would one day become your religion.  Mazel tov!
(the hellenists spent the next few years begging hand over knee for help from their seleucid overlords)

Wrong.  Made up propaganda.

[LadyForCamus]

@Max -

How do you know, or why do you believe that a personal god with a plan exists?  What leads you to that conclusion?

Life experience.  I've seen unimaginable things happen that have no real explanation outside of there being a God.  With that in mind, I feel a responsibility to understand what that means for me and how it might apply to the world around me.  I think part of finding something is being willing to look for it, but to be open about it.  Not in the sense of being ignorant or going out of my way to create something, but to genuinely understand.

Do you mind me asking, what kinds of things?  Obviously, don’t feel obligated to go into further detail if you aren’t comfortable doing so.

[Anomalocaris]

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@Max -

How do you know, or why do you believe that a personal god with a plan exists?  What leads you to that conclusion?

Life experience.  I've seen unimaginable things happen that have no real explanation outside of there being a God.  With that in mind, I feel a responsibility to understand what that means for me and how it might apply to the world around me.  I think part of finding something is being willing to look for it, but to be open about it.  Not in the sense of being ignorant or going out of my way to create something, but to genuinely understand.

You are extremely small next to your fellow men.  Your life is an infinitesimal insignificance next to the collective experience of humanity.  Your experience is of no account next to what people far more capable of understanding has seen and understood.  You are too ignorant to know of many explanations, and your intellect is too small and conceited too great to admit you lack the imagination to comprehend how there could be other explanations.

You understand nothing, and in your conceit you feel the fact that you understand nothing you can assert there is god.

[The Grand Nudger]

"The overthrows" were the maccabean revolt.  Daniel, you see, is set in the context of a folkloric hero of the 6th century, but daniel has two narrators, one supplying those details consonant with that personage..and another writing closer to 160bce who is ignorant of what any "daniel" of 600 bce would have been very familiar with.  The second narrator is the one that you think was engaging in prophecy, and a prophecy about some christ and some catholic church, no less!

The irony here, is that the maccabean revolt was a response to precisely those pagan heresies creeping into jewish society that would one day become your religion.  Mazel tov!
(the hellenists spent the next few years begging hand over knee for help from their seleucid overlords)

Wrong.  Made up propaganda.

.....................?  Made up by whom?  The people who narrated daniel...., or the people who wrote daniel down? What on earth are you babbling about?

[Amarok]

Or maybe some of them have. 

I doubt it 

How do you know? 

Pretty sure some one would notice 

If they did, then what does that mean? 

It would need to happen first to say 

If they didn't, what does that mean? 

The prophecy is worthless 

I don't stress too much about what I don't know.

Then your stress must be incredibly low 

  I wait until I do know, then I form a final conclusion at that time. 

Or we could just form it on what we know now 

If I don't know, then no reason to form any conclusion.

Seems pretty conclusive this prophecy has little going for it .

[The Grand Nudger]

Development[edit]
It is generally accepted that Daniel originated as a collection of Aramaic court tales later expanded by the Hebrew revelations.[31] The court tales may have originally circulated independently, but the edited collection was probably composed in the third or early second century BC.[32] Chapter 1 was composed (in Aramaic) at this time as a brief introduction of to provide historical context, introduce the characters of the tales, and explain how Daniel and his friends came to Babylon.[33] The visions of chapters 7–12 were added and chapter 1 translated into Hebrew at the third stage when the final book was being drawn together.[33]
Authorship[edit]
Daniel is one of a large number of Jewish apocalypses, all of them pseudonymous.[34] The stories of the first half are considered legendary in origin, and the visions of the second the product of anonymous authors in the Maccabean period (2nd century BC).[5]
Although the entire book is traditionally ascribed to Daniel the seer, chapters 1–6 are in the voice of an anonymous narrator, except for chapter 4 which is in the form of a letter from king Nebuchadnezzar; only the second half (chapters 7–12) is presented by Daniel himself, introduced by the anonymous narrator in chapters 7 and 10.[35] The real author/editor of Daniel was probably an educated Jew, knowledgeable in Greek learning, and of high standing in his own community. The book is a product of "Wisdom" circles, but the type of wisdom is mantic (the discovery of heavenly secrets from earthly signs) rather than the wisdom of learning—the main source of wisdom in Daniel is God's revelation.[36][37]
It is possible that the name of Daniel was chosen for the hero of the book because of his reputation as a wise seer in Hebrew tradition.[38] Ezekiel, who lived during the Babylonian exile, mentioned him in association with Noah and Job(Ezekiel 14:14) as a figure of legendary wisdom (28:3), and a hero named Daniel (more accurately Dan'el, but the spelling is close enough for the two to be regarded as identical) features in a late 2nd millennium myth from Ugarit.[39] "The legendary Daniel, known from long ago but still remembered as an exemplary character ... serves as the principal human 'hero' in the biblical book that now bears his name"; Daniel is the wise and righteous intermediary who is able to interpret dreams and thus convey the will of God to humans, the recipient of visions from on high that are interpreted to him by heavenly intermediaries.[40]
Dating[edit]
The prophecies of Daniel are accurate down to the career of Antiochus IV Epiphanes, king of Syria and oppressor of the Jews, but not in its prediction of his death: the author seems to know about Antiochus' two campaigns in Egypt (169 and 167 BC), the desecration of the Temple (the "abomination of desolation"), and the fortification of the Akra (a fortress built inside Jerusalem), but he seems to know nothing about the reconstruction of the Temple or about the actual circumstances of Antiochus' death in late 164 BC. Chapters 10–12 must therefore have been written between 167 and 164 BC. There is no evidence of a significant time lapse between those chapters and chapters 8 and 9, and chapter 7 may have been written just a few months earlier again.[41]
Further evidence of the book's date is in the fact that Daniel is excluded from the Hebrew Bible's canon of the prophets, which was closed around 200 BC, and the Wisdom of Sirach, a work dating from around 180 BC, draws on almost every book of the Old Testament except Daniel, leading scholars to suppose that its author was unaware of it. Daniel is, however, quoted in a section of the Sibylline Oracles commonly dated to the middle of the 2nd century BC, and was popular at Qumran at much the same time, suggesting that it was known from the middle of that century.[42]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Daniel

[Amarok]

Life experience.

So nothing then 

  I've seen unimaginable things happen that have no real explanation outside of there being a God. 

So ignorance then 

With that in mind, I feel a responsibility to understand what that means for me and how it might apply to the world around me.

So hunting windmills 

  I think part of finding something is being willing to look for it, but to be open about it. 

So hunting windmills 

Not in the sense of being ignorant or going out of my way to create something, but to genuinely understand.

So hunting windmills 

[T0 Th3 M4X]

Life experience.  I've seen unimaginable things happen that have no real explanation outside of there being a God.  With that in mind, I feel a responsibility to understand what that means for me and how it might apply to the world around me.  I think part of finding something is being willing to look for it, but to be open about it.  Not in the sense of being ignorant or going out of my way to create something, but to genuinely understand.

Do you mind me asking, what kinds of things?  Obviously, don’t feel obligated to go into further detail if you aren’t comfortable doing so.

I don't mind sharing, but I didn't want to go into too much detail and get ahead of anyone.

When I was a kid, I had to go to church every Sunday.  As far as churches go, it was very dry is how they shared and preached.  The people were friendly, but as a kid, it wasn't very appealing.  But I remember even at that time, I had a perception of God and that He was there in some form, but not with an identity that I could fully understand as a child.  As I got older, my dad came down with a very rare blood disorder. He was on blood transfusions, and wasn't given much time to live.  He went to a clinic and received an experimental treatment, but the prognosis wasn't good.  The doctors happened to be Christians and all they knew to try was to pray for him.  By some miracle, or whatever you choose to call it, he made a rough, but full recovery and is still alive at age 75, which is some thirty-plus years later and no trace of the disease.  I'll stop there for a minute so you can catch up, but that's not all of it.

[CDF47]

Wrong.  Made up propaganda.

.....................?  Made up by whom?  The people who narrated daniel...., or the people who wrote daniel down?  What on earth are you babbling about?

The nonsense regarding two Daniel narrators,....Where does this stuff come from?