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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 12:48 am
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Quote:Truth be told in that post.
Nope fallacies
Quote:The machine under the pump is irreducibly complex so it is no longer just an assertion.
Nope an assertion it remains and a fallacious assertion at that .
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 12:49 am
(May 15, 2018 at 12:45 am)J a c k Wrote: (May 15, 2018 at 12:40 am)CDF47 Wrote: Agree to disagree.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 12:50 am
(May 15, 2018 at 12:46 am)Khemikal Wrote: Quote:That third machine you mentioned must be irreducibly complex if there is nothing under it.
That's not actually how "musts" work...but..no, for the third and final time, protein transports also have precursor systems in mechanical and chemical translocation. I know you have google. Why don;t you do yourself a favor and look it up?
Now....at some point I'll run out of answers....and then the internet will run out of answers..and then the guys with silly letters in front of their names will run out of answers. "I don;t know" is not a synonym for irreducible complexity, last I checked.
So I;ll ask again, why do you think there are any things x when you can;t provide a single example of x?
The bottom level of the machine we find is irreducibly complex. Same goes for me regarding running out of answers and the Internet running out of answers,...
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 12:52 am
Quote:The bottom level of the machine we find is irreducibly complex. Same goes for me regarding running out of answers and the Internet running out of answers,...
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 12:52 am
(May 15, 2018 at 12:52 am)Tizheruk Wrote: Quote:The bottom level of the machine we find is irreducibly complex. Same goes for me regarding running out of answers and the Internet running out of answers,...
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 12:53 am
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(May 15, 2018 at 12:50 am)CDF47 Wrote: (May 15, 2018 at 12:46 am)Khemikal Wrote: That's not actually how "musts" work...but..no, for the third and final time, protein transports also have precursor systems in mechanical and chemical translocation. I know you have google. Why don;t you do yourself a favor and look it up?
Now....at some point I'll run out of answers....and then the internet will run out of answers..and then the guys with silly letters in front of their names will run out of answers. "I don;t know" is not a synonym for irreducible complexity, last I checked.
So I;ll ask again, why do you think there are any things x when you can;t provide a single example of x?
The bottom level of the machine we find is irreducibly complex. Same goes for me regarding running out of answers and the Internet running out of answers,...
You;re butchering ID now. Being at "the bottom level" doesn;t make anything irreducibly complex by default..and the only "bottom level" in evolutionary biology is the point at which organic chemistry becomes life..far....far....faaaaaaar bellow structures like flagellum or transports, and still farther below the precursor trans, and -their- osmotic precursors.
The only way for something to be irreducibly complex is for the removal of a single item in the system to cause that system to fail. We know of no such thing. Behes own conjecture in that regard was based on a single reference (opf a single sentence)..that he misunderstood and misquoted, and was corrected for by the author at length.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 12:54 am
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 12:54 am
(May 15, 2018 at 12:53 am)Khemikal Wrote: (May 15, 2018 at 12:50 am)CDF47 Wrote: The bottom level of the machine we find is irreducibly complex. Same goes for me regarding running out of answers and the Internet running out of answers,...
You;re butchering ID now. Being at "the bottom level" doesn;t make anything irreducibly complex by default..and the only "bottom level" in evolutionary biology is the point at which oirganic chemistry becomes life..far....far....faaaaaaar bellow structures like flagellum or transports, and still farther below the precursor trans.
That's not what I meant. I meant the bottom level of a functional machine.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 12:59 am
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The "bottom level" of functioning life is the moment that it becomes life. Whatever caused that reaction....that would approach the notion of irreducible complexity...however, it;s chemistry at that point...so all this machine nonsense would be inapplicable even if you managed to get it right. This is how we know that irreducible complexity ois a failed idea. It;s not that Behe et al picked the wrong examples or candidates...the notion itself is fundamentally bankrupt.
You could ask me "what;s under that...then?"s all night and nothing about that will change.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 1:01 am
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