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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 26, 2018 at 4:40 am
(May 26, 2018 at 4:35 am)CDF47 Wrote: (May 26, 2018 at 4:30 am)Khemikal Wrote: Do you want to participate....or not?
Sure
Wonderful. So, picking it back up. It;s clear that a mindless but intelligent thing is possible...and that such a thing actually can account for "that type of information". Correct?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 26, 2018 at 4:42 am
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(May 26, 2018 at 4:40 am)Khemikal Wrote: (May 26, 2018 at 4:35 am)CDF47 Wrote: Sure
Wonderful. So, picking it back up. It;s clear that a mindless but intelligent thing is possible...and that such a thing actually can account for "that type of information". Correct?
If it's totally mindless it cannot be intelligent. The reason the computer is not mindless and is intelligent is because the machine was designed and built and programmed by creators. All matter and energy have information. Some have CSI at which point design can be inferred.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 26, 2018 at 4:46 am
(May 26, 2018 at 4:42 am)CDF47 Wrote: (May 26, 2018 at 4:40 am)Khemikal Wrote: Wonderful. So, picking it back up. It;s clear that a mindless but intelligent thing is possible...and that such a thing actually can account for "that type of information". Correct?
If it's totally mindless it cannot be intelligent. The reason the computer is not mindless and is intelligent is because the machine was designed and built and programmed by creators. All matter and energy have information. Some have CSI at which point design can be inferred.
Then you would like to revise your earlier statements? There is no intelligence in a computer?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 26, 2018 at 4:47 am
(May 26, 2018 at 4:46 am)Khemikal Wrote: (May 26, 2018 at 4:42 am)CDF47 Wrote: If it's totally mindless it cannot be intelligent. The reason the computer is not mindless and is intelligent is because the machine was designed and built and programmed by creators. All matter and energy have information. Some have CSI at which point design can be inferred.
Then you would like to revise your earlier statements? There is no intelligence in a computer?
The intelligence is there because it was created by a creator. It is then not mindless/dumb.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 26, 2018 at 4:49 am
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Is everything that we create a computer, capable of doing what a computer does? No? Then whatever intelligence it possesses, if it possess intelligence, is not due to it;s having been created by us. After all..we also create paper planes...which are not intelligent. Or are they?
Does a computer possess a mind? If not..then it is mindless. Agreed?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 26, 2018 at 4:53 am
(May 26, 2018 at 4:49 am)Khemikal Wrote: Is everything that we create a computer, capable of doing what a computer does? No? Then whatever intelligence it possesses, if it possess intelligence, is not due to it;s having been created by us. After all..we also create paper planes...which are not intelligent. Or are they?
Does a computer possess a mind? If not..then it is mindless. Agreed?
No, they are not.
No.
Your point being?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 26, 2018 at 4:57 am
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Wonderful..so..we create paper planes..and they do not possess intelligence...we also create computers, which are intelligent. It is not our act of creation..in and of itself..that has anything to do with whether or not something is intelligent. We're capable of making intelligent things..and non intelligent things. Some things we make are intelligent..others are not.
Agreed?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 26, 2018 at 5:02 am
(May 26, 2018 at 4:57 am)Khemikal Wrote: Wonderful..so..we create paper planes..and they do not possess intelligence...we also create computers, which are intelligent. It is not our act of creation..in and of itself..that has anything to do with whether or not something is intelligent. We're capable of making intelligent things..and non intelligent things. Some things we make are intelligent..others are not.
Agreed?
Yeah, we can create things that are intelligent and unitelligent, similar to how our Creator created things that are intelligent and unintelligent.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 26, 2018 at 5:04 am
Wonderful..then the intelligence of some thing is not due to us having created it, but due to some thing x -about- that thing...x.
Agreed?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 26, 2018 at 5:22 am
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(May 26, 2018 at 4:20 am)CDF47 Wrote: (May 26, 2018 at 4:15 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: You have been deceived. Nobody in science uses CSI. Never have. Never will. Not even design proponents like Dembski, the one who "invented" CSI, uses it.
How do you know who does and doesn't use CSI?
I've got an even better question. Where are the calculations which show that DNA contains specified information?
You must have them, unless you were just making an empty claim about DNA containing CSI. So where are they?
This should be a snap for you to provide. If such a calculation exists, it would be the pièce de résistance of CSI, its grandest achievement.
So trot it out, or admit that you and your claims are full of shit.
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