DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[Amarok]

How so?  Just stating facts about DNA, the universe

No your not your just repeating ID propaganda . No facts to be founds .

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How so?  Just stating facts about DNA, the universe,...

ID is a belief, not a fact.

On this we agree .

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Willful ignorance is a Biblical verse.  Funny you use that one.

Willful ignorance did not come from the bible .

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Every person on earth has (a) bias(es) and not a single person is immune to it.

Having biases does not mean one cannot overcome them .

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I can't respond to all the posts here.  It is digital.  It is a 4 digit digital code (not binary 0s and 1s).  Digital does not always mean binary.  Research Google for this.

Good rod this guy is dense 

[Angrboda]

The truth is out there....The Bible also says to look at the creation for signs of the Creator which we have found in DNA and the fine-tuning of the universe.

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So?

You think simple information requires a god too.  Something being complex doesn;t demonstrate that it;s designed by god any more than the simple designed by god shit would.  

You told me this wasn;t important to you..but it;s starting to look very important to you.  Level with me bud...is ID really tied up into your beliefs to the point that it couldn;t be extricated without damage?

You missed the point that it is both extremely complex and unimaginably specific, thus designed.

I think you're just mouthing words you don't understand. Where can I find a rigorous and valid definition for what it means for a complex thing like a human being to be specified, first, and second, show us that you can apply that definition to a human being. Otherwise you're just mouthing meaningless gibberish.

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Every person on earth has (a) bias(es) and not a single person is immune to it.

Having biases does not mean one cannot overcome them .

The point I am trying to make is that biases are so ingrained into us that they are impossible to escape from. There is no "overcoming" them. And we need bias because it helps direct our actions. Biases i.e. perceptions are actually the closest thing we actually have to rationality because without them, we are nothing but an entity without a brain. We developed biases as a species due to out large brains. Biases and perceptions give us a structure or paradigm or lens through which we view the world and we are better off with those paradigms than without them because we still do not have the brain capacity (processing power/good enough senses) to actually rationally think in a way that is at the root of how our brains actually work. Anytime you have something like death means that whatever entity that embodies that, it will have to adapt to that as the sole focus. We are necessarily geared towards preventing our own death. As such, we have adapted many mechanisms that do not "play nicely" with rationality. Fear is one such example of this. Someone who is terrified cannot think logically. A person full of fear thinks instinctively and this is much more at the core of our psyche than rationality ever will be. You might argue that a person is not always fearful. Fair enough, but consider that how interested we are in something is on a sliding scale and not an on off switch. This alone should tell you that we are far more variable and complex then can fit so easily into a rational system where logic is the primary mode of understanding.

[robvalue]

43 pages of incredulity.

Maybe it's time to move on to something else?

For those keeping score at home: I don't have to claim that DNA isn't designed. I just see no evidence that it is. If it so happens that someone/thing did design it, then fine. I don't actually care. I'd have to conclude that the designer is within our (sub)reality, rather than outside it with total control. To suggest that someone outside could have designed our environment, and then us, and thinks they've done anything like a good job, is beyond ludicrous.

Of course, that's assuming they actually care about us at all, and we're not just part of some game or experiment. Those options seem more likely. Mind you, many theists do posit our life as a game, where we win or lose according to some arcane scorecard that we're supposed to decode from ancient books.

[Amarok]

Having biases does not mean one cannot overcome them .

The point I am trying to make is that biases are so ingrained into us that they are impossible to escape from. There is no "overcoming" them. And we need bias because it helps direct our actions. Biases i.e. perceptions are actually the closest thing we actually have to rationality because without them, we are nothing but an entity without a brain. We developed biases as a species due to out large brains. Biases and perceptions give us a structure or paradigm or lens through which we view the world and we are better off with those paradigms than without them because we still do not have the brain capacity (processing power/good enough senses) to actually rationally think in a way that is at the root of how our brains actually work. Anytime you have something like death means that whatever entity that embodies that, it will have to adapt to that as the sole focus. We are necessarily geared towards preventing our own death. As such, we have adapted many mechanisms that do not "play nicely" with rationality. Fear is one such example of this. Someone who is terrified cannot think logically. A person full of fear thinks instinctively and this is much more at the core of our psyche than rationality ever will be. You might argue that a person is not always fearful. Fair enough, but consider that how interested we are in something is on a sliding scale and not an on off switch. This alone should tell you that we are far more variable and complex then can fit so easily into a rational system where logic is the primary mode of understanding.

This is rubbish . Long winded rubbish.

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The truth is out there....The Bible also says to look at the creation for signs of the Creator which we have found in DNA and the fine-tuning of the universe.

The truth is out their . Just no were in your silly collection of fables . And their is frag all proof that the universe was created . The universe is not fine tuned . And DNA does not support your contentions .

[Angrboda]

Having biases does not mean one cannot overcome them .

The point I am trying to make is that biases are so ingrained into us that they are impossible to escape from. There is no "overcoming" them. And we need bias because it helps direct our actions. Biases i.e. perceptions are actually the closest thing we actually have to rationality because without them, we are nothing but an entity without a brain. We developed biases as a species due to out large brains. Biases and perceptions give us a structure or paradigm or lens through which we view the world and we are better off with those paradigms than without them because we still do not have the brain capacity (processing power/good enough senses) to actually rationally think in a way that is at the root of how our brains actually work. Anytime you have something like death means that whatever entity that embodies that, it will have to adapt to that as the sole focus. We are necessarily geared towards preventing our own death. As such, we have adapted many mechanisms that do not "play nicely" with rationality. Fear is one such example of this. Someone who is terrified cannot think logically. A person full of fear thinks instinctively and this is much more at the core of our psyche than rationality ever will be. You might argue that a person is not always fearful. Fair enough, but consider that how interested we are in something is on a sliding scale and not an on off switch. This alone should tell you that we are far more variable and complex then can fit so easily into a rational system where logic is the primary mode of understanding.

Uh, straw man. I don't think he claimed that we were exclusively rational, only that biases could be counter-acted.

Introspection illusion
The introspection illusion is a cognitive bias in which people wrongly think they have direct insight into the origins of their mental states, while treating others' introspections as unreliable. In certain situations, this illusion leads people to make confident but false explanations of their own behavior (called "causal theories"[1]) or inaccurate predictions of their future mental states.
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Correcting for the bias
A study that investigated the effect of educating people about unconscious biases on their subsequent self-ratings of susceptibility to bias showed that those who were educated did not exhibit the bias blind spot, in contrast with the control group. This finding provides hope that being informed about unconscious biases such as the introspection illusion may help people to avoid making biased judgments, or at least make them aware that they are biased. Findings from other studies on correction of the bias yielded mixed results. In a later review of the introspection illusion, Pronin suggests that the distinction is that studies that merely provide a warning of unconscious biases will not see a correction effect, whereas those that inform about the bias and emphasize its unconscious nature do yield corrections. Thus, knowledge that bias can operate during conscious awareness, is the defining factor in leading people to correct for it.

Wikipedia || Introspection illusion

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DNA contains an extremely sophisticated code!  Hence, it is designed.  Debate over, living systems have a Designer.

This thread is kicking your ass.

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The point I am trying to make is that biases are so ingrained into us that they are impossible to escape from. There is no "overcoming" them. And we need bias because it helps direct our actions. Biases i.e. perceptions are actually the closest thing we actually have to rationality because without them, we are nothing but an entity without a brain. We developed biases as a species due to out large brains. Biases and perceptions give us a structure or paradigm or lens through which we view the world and we are better off with those paradigms than without them because we still do not have the brain capacity (processing power/good enough senses) to actually rationally think in a way that is at the root of how our brains actually work. Anytime you have something like death means that whatever entity that embodies that, it will have to adapt to that as the sole focus. We are necessarily geared towards preventing our own death. As such, we have adapted many mechanisms that do not "play nicely" with rationality. Fear is one such example of this. Someone who is terrified cannot think logically. A person full of fear thinks instinctively and this is much more at the core of our psyche than rationality ever will be. You might argue that a person is not always fearful. Fair enough, but consider that how interested we are in something is on a sliding scale and not an on off switch. This alone should tell you that we are far more variable and complex then can fit so easily into a rational system where logic is the primary mode of understanding.

Uh, straw man. I don't think he claimed that we were exclusively rational, only that biases could be counter-acted.

Introspection illusion
The introspection illusion is a cognitive bias in which people wrongly think they have direct insight into the origins of their mental states, while treating others' introspections as unreliable. In certain situations, this illusion leads people to make confident but false explanations of their own behavior (called "causal theories"[1]) or inaccurate predictions of their future mental states.
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Correcting for the bias
A study that investigated the effect of educating people about unconscious biases on their subsequent self-ratings of susceptibility to bias showed that those who were educated did not exhibit the bias blind spot, in contrast with the control group. This finding provides hope that being informed about unconscious biases such as the introspection illusion may help people to avoid making biased judgments, or at least make them aware that they are biased. Findings from other studies on correction of the bias yielded mixed results. In a later review of the introspection illusion, Pronin suggests that the distinction is that studies that merely provide a warning of unconscious biases will not see a correction effect, whereas those that inform about the bias and emphasize its unconscious nature do yield corrections. Thus, knowledge that bias can operate during conscious awareness, is the defining factor in leading people to correct for it.

Wikipedia || Introspection illusion

I don't see anything definitive here that says people can rid themselves of biases. What I see here is that the only thing that really happens is that their bias changes from one PoV to another. We are creatures with a limited grasp of reality. We can only take in so much information because we have not evolved to the point where we can take in all information from our surroundings. And ironically enough, the reason I know people have biases is because I have rid myself of a lot of them. This doesn't mean that I am not otherwise predisposed to bias, however, only that the biases I hold have changed. I might consider changing my mind if you could provide evidence for ridding oneself of bias via brain scan.

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Was my post just deleted?

[Amarok]

Uh, straw man. I don't think he claimed that we were exclusively rational, only that biases could be counter-acted

Exactly

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Comments are not deleted on this site

[Angrboda]

Was my post just deleted?

It probably got caught in the spam filter. That happens. PM a moderator and they can likely restore your post if that's what happened.