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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 15, 2018 at 8:23 pm
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Quote:After the fall, perfection is clearly not the intent of the design. This would be expected in Christianity.
A convenient excuse to explain away the observation . In other words Designed is again whatever the IDiot wants it to mean .
Quote:That's simply how the Designer decided this would work.
In other words everything no matter what counts as design . Thus nothing counts as evidence of design . Because you can always appeal to mysterious intentions .
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 15, 2018 at 8:39 pm
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(November 15, 2018 at 8:19 pm)Grandizer Wrote: (November 15, 2018 at 8:14 pm)CDF47 Wrote: No, it's not a point against my position. It would be expected based on my position.
I get that. What you're not getting is that it's more likely under evolution.
I just guess we would both expect it under our positions.
(November 15, 2018 at 8:23 pm)Amarok Wrote: Quote:After the fall, perfection is clearly not the intent of the design. This would be expected in Christianity.
A convenient excuse to explain away the observation . In other words Designed is again whatever the IDiot wants it to mean .
Quote:That's simply how the Designer decided this would work.
In other words everything no matter what counts as design . Thus nothing counts as evidence of design . Because you can always appeal to mysterious intentions .
Everything here was designed and constructed by the Creator.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 15, 2018 at 8:49 pm
Including the creator?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 15, 2018 at 8:49 pm
(November 15, 2018 at 8:39 pm)CDF47 Wrote: (November 15, 2018 at 8:19 pm)Grandizer Wrote: I get that. What you're not getting is that it's more likely under evolution.
I just guess we would both expect it under our positions.
(November 15, 2018 at 8:23 pm)Amarok Wrote: A convenient excuse to explain away the observation . In other words Designed is again whatever the IDiot wants it to mean .
In other words everything no matter what counts as design . Thus nothing counts as evidence of design . Because you can always appeal to mysterious intentions .
Everything here was designed and constructed by the Creator.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 15, 2018 at 8:56 pm
(November 15, 2018 at 8:49 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Including the creator?
No, the Creator exists on a throne outside this universe. He is also in this universe and knows all there is to know.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 15, 2018 at 8:59 pm
A throne? If it knows all there is to know, how did it fuck up so royally with Adam and Eve and that magic boat?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 15, 2018 at 9:03 pm
(November 15, 2018 at 8:56 pm)CDF47 Wrote: (November 15, 2018 at 8:49 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Including the creator?
No, the Creator exists on a throne outside this universe. He is also in this universe and knows all there is to know.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 15, 2018 at 9:13 pm
(November 15, 2018 at 8:59 pm)no one Wrote: A throne? If it knows all there is to know, how did it fuck up so royally with Adam and Eve and that magic boat?
He gave them free will to follow His direction or not.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 15, 2018 at 9:14 pm
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(November 15, 2018 at 8:14 pm)CDF47 Wrote: (November 15, 2018 at 8:10 pm)Grandizer Wrote: Even so, it would still be more likely under evolution than under Genesis literalism. And that's a point against your position, not for your position.
No, it's not a point against my position. It would be expected based on my position.
Actually it is. A perfect being cannot create something imperfect.
LONG before (your) Adam's fall, dinosaurs got cancer.
You conveniently claim "imperfection" (fallen nature) when you need to.
There is not a shred of evidence anywhere, the preternatural perfection EVER existed, and in fact ALL the evidence points to nature ALWAYS being what it is.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 15, 2018 at 9:15 pm
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(November 15, 2018 at 9:14 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: (November 15, 2018 at 8:14 pm)CDF47 Wrote: No, it's not a point against my position. It would be expected based on my position.
Actually it is. A perfect being cannot create something imperfect.
LONG before (your) Adam's fall, dinosaurs got cancer.
You conveniently claim "imperfection" (fallen nature) when you need to.
There is not a shred of evidence anywhere, the preternatural perfection EVER existed, and in fact ALL the evidence points to nature ALWAYS being what it is.
i believe there was animal death before, during, and after the time of Adam and Eve.
(November 15, 2018 at 9:14 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: (November 15, 2018 at 8:14 pm)CDF47 Wrote: No, it's not a point against my position. It would be expected based on my position.
Actually it is. A perfect being cannot create something imperfect.
LONG before (your) Adam's fall, dinosaurs got cancer.
You conveniently claim "imperfection" (fallen nature) when you need to.
There is not a shred of evidence anywhere, the preternatural perfection EVER existed, and in fact ALL the evidence points to nature ALWAYS being what it is.
The perfect being allowed free will and man fell.
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