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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 17, 2018 at 4:25 pm
(November 17, 2018 at 3:34 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: Back in the day there was thunder
And we knew not why
And the superstitious amongst us invented Thor and Zeus and Indra.
Then Ben Franklin went and flew a kite
And banished the thunder gods wholesale.
Now we have DNA and Cosmology
And we do not fully know why
And the superstitious amongst us have invented Gods of Creation and Intelligent Design.
They should go fly a kite.
Benjamin Franklin believed in God. He was a deist. And we are not superstitious and we do not believe in the supernatural. God is a conscious and intelligent being just like you are. Rather than supernatural- higher intelligence is just much smarter and more perfect. What ppl call miracles, actually have a perfectly logical explanation that our limited human minds simply cannot comprehend.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 17, 2018 at 4:26 pm
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Strange, you seem to comprehend that they are perfectly logical, and have such an explanation..though you fail to provide either an example of such a miracle or any explanation.
"I, a lowly human being, am telling you all about things beyond human comprehension!"
...........right...... 
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 17, 2018 at 4:39 pm
(November 17, 2018 at 4:26 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Strange, you seem to comprehend that they are perfectly logical, and have such an explanation..though you fail to provide either an example of such a miracle or any explanation.
"I, a lowly human being, am telling you all about things beyond human comprehension!"
...........right......
Where do you start? The Bible. All the miraculous recoveries from diseases talked about by doctors? Here's a list of some modern day miracles that science cannot explain
https://www.beliefnet.com/inspiration/7-...plain.aspx
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 17, 2018 at 4:40 pm
More bible babble and arguments from ignorance.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 17, 2018 at 5:07 pm
(November 17, 2018 at 4:40 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: More bible babble and arguments from ignorance.
Nope. Just examples of miracles which is exactly what you asked for.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 17, 2018 at 5:17 pm
The bible is a book, not a miracle. Scientists not knowing something is hardly miraculous, either.
Honestly..give us minimum effort here, lol?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 17, 2018 at 5:28 pm
Quote:God is a conscious and intelligent being just like you are. Rather than supernatural- higher intelligence is just much smarter and more perfect. What ppl call miracles, actually have a perfectly logical explanation that our limited human minds simply cannot comprehend.
Yet according to your woo-woo, he's an energy ball AND that we are a part of this thing.
There is no known instance of consciousness arising in the absence of a healthy functioning physical brain.
In light of that, your assertions and positions are totally ILLOGICAL.
There is no evidence for your unsupported assertions.
Oh well, sweetie.
Back to the woo drawing board.
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell 
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 17, 2018 at 5:32 pm
(November 16, 2018 at 4:34 pm)CDF47 Wrote: (November 16, 2018 at 6:46 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: And thus your argument falls apart.
How do you discern that DNA was obviously designed if everything is designed?
You simply have no basis to make that determination.
Because DNA is the proof. There is actual information found in DNA, not Shannon information.
Nope. According to you, everything is designed. You have no way to distinguish between DNA and H2O.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 17, 2018 at 5:58 pm
(November 17, 2018 at 3:26 pm)Everena Wrote: People tend to be selfish and self aggrandizing and I'm not going to pretend to have complete faith in them to appease anyone. (November 17, 2018 at 3:09 pm)Everena Wrote: Most scientists believe in God.
Then you shouldnt trust them, right? Right?
Your intellectual dishonesty shows again. First you proudly claim not to trust in scietists, because they are so human (fallible, imperfect, whateva) , then you argue that most scientists believe in god in support of your delusion. Stop lying.....to yourself, then you can maybe stop lying to everyone else.....maybe.
You are desperately trying to catch any argument that supports your already established belief. You dont care about what is true. You only care about what you already believe. You dont even care about consistency. You are a liar, are threatening people (with hell). You wont learn, because you dont want to learn. You arent communicating, that would be bidirectional, you are preaching. You are wasting our time, but more important, your own lifetime.
There is hardly anything more useless in the universe than a creature like you.
So sad.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
November 17, 2018 at 6:40 pm
(November 17, 2018 at 1:14 am)CDF47 Wrote: (November 17, 2018 at 1:00 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: DNA works or operates in the particular way that it does because of the laws of nature. The same with the wind. Yet you consider one specified and the other not. Obviously there is more to function or specification than this or else the notion of function or specification is essentially vacuous and useless for distinguishing designed things from things that weren't designed. As to the 'proper' way of working or operating, that is a judgement as to its fitness for a particular purpose, or a comment upon someone's subjective valuation of said working or operation. The first is a teleological appeal and so cannot serve the function of distinguishing designed from non-designed thing, because, as noted, it is not a property of the thing itself, but rather a characteristic of some agent reflecting upon said thing. The latter does not suffice for similar reasons. So in the first case, function does not separate design from non-design, so if specification is based upon it, then specification does not distinguish design from non-design. In the second case, function doesn't distinguish design from non-design because it's not even about the thing itself, so if specification is that, then it can't possibly be the basis of determining design from non-design.
So, in other words, if that is the definition of function you indeed were using, or that you believe that someone else whose opinion you were relying on was using, then you or said person obviously didn't know what they were talking about, as things cannot be distinguished on that basis with reference to the things and their properties themselves. That's a big fail.
Try again.
DNA basically operates like machine code. Regardless of what you think of the definitions of three particular words there is no way the code wrote itself.
Stop repeating that lie. DNA is nothing like machine code. Are you so thick that I have to go through it yet again?
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