DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[Everena]

At work.

Bingo! Called it!

So, only 'Solids' can be inanimate?

So.....water NOT Inanimate.  Ice IS Inanimate?

Water is inanimate and has to be affected by something else like I just said.

[Peebothuhlu]

At work.

Which..... is what I said.

So, water is inanimate and air is also inanimate.

But through their interactions (And energy supplied via indirect stellar fusion) THINGS HAPPEN.

Ta-DAA! No inteligence required!

Still no acknowledgement about stellar fusion, I see.

[Everena]

At work.

Which..... is what I said.

So, water is inanimate and air is also inanimate.

But through their interactions (And energy supplied via indirect stellar fusion)  THINGS HAPPEN.

Ta-DAA! No inteligence required!

Things happen! Ta DAA! So it all just magically appeared and magically happened according to you? Great, but still impossible in reality where intelligence is required to create water and air and stellar fusion. The big rock in your front yard cannot create a universe. Grip reality soon.

[Paleophyte]

She's back to First Cause again.

Space-time begins with the Big Bang. Causes require space and time. So asking "what caused the universe" is semantically equivalent to asking what the date was on the day before time stared and where the place was before space existed. The question is without meaning, which should tell you something about the answer.

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Things happen! Ta DAA! So it all just magically appeared and magically happened according to you? Great, but still impossible in reality where intelligence is required to create water and air and stellar fusion. The big rock in your front yard cannot create a universe. Grip reality soon.

The rock in my front yard has more ability in a single crystal than your imaginary friend.

[Peebothuhlu]

At work.

Which..... is what I said.

So, water is inanimate and air is also inanimate.

But through their interactions (And energy supplied via indirect stellar fusion)  THINGS HAPPEN.

Ta-DAA! No inteligence required!

Things happen! Ta DAA! So it all just magically appeared and magically happened according to you? Great, but still impossible in reality where intelligence is required to create water and air and stellar fusion. The big rock in your front yard cannot create a universe. Grip reality soon.

Woah! Calm down there, Luv.

Lets keep things in small steps.

We've come to an accord over inanimate object actually doing things. (Surf, wind, weather, geology, vulcanism etc)

And we've come to an elucidation regarding stellar fusion.

Once we're all agreed on these points, then we can move on another of your steps, hey?

[Anomalocaris]

Wrong
There are things that happen spontaneously ... I thought you said you took science.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...icles-rea/

"it is impossible to predict the decay of individual atoms."
https://www.sciencedaily.com/terms/radio..._decay.htm

Things that happen spontaneously how? Explain how the big rock in your front yard could spontaneously create a universe and all conscious life.

Things happen spontaneously and randomly in the big rock all the time.   This is the essence of quantum mechanics.   You need to understand “cause” is not a fundamental aspect of reality.  At its deepest level, things don’t happen for any reason or through any mechanism.   Cause is just a broad, reasonably predictive mental model of how things behave on a large scale:  humans are hardwired to perceive things in terms of cause and effect because until recently, all human senses can only perceive things on a large scale where the mental model of cause and effect seems to almost always hold true, and it was sufficiently good to give those with the hardwired model a cognitive and survival advantage.

But examination of contituents of matter and energy at atomic and sub-atomic level, possible since early last century, makes it clear the smaller the scale of things you observe, the more the concept of mechanism, cause and effect as hardwaired into typical human brain fails as a predictive descriptor of reality.  It appears at its most basic and smallest level, there is really no cause and effect and no mechanism.   There is only collective behavior of particles.  You can scream against this reality, but that’s because you foolishly trust a mental model the evolved in monkeys and served adaquately when your ancesters were still bashing rocks together, and too too conceited and dumb to properly process new observations made possible in the last 150 years because humanity, unlike theists, progressed.    It is reflect very sadly on one everena’s capacity to improve if she insist she could divine the universe as operating strictly according to her simple(ton) logic just because that “logic” is hardwired into her monkey brain and so it comes naturally and intuitively to that one everena whose perspicacity and knowledge is vastly overestimated by one everena.  

So things are happening spontaneously in your big rock without cause (not just without known cause) all the time.    Each occurance is unpredictable in itself, but the outcome accumulated over large number of samples follow verifiable probabilistic distribution.

If you know anything at all about probability, then you would know the larger the number of fundamentally similar but individually unpredictable event is examined, the more predictable is the sum of all the effect of the all these events when examined in total.    Although each random event happening in the rock, such as a electron spontaneously coming into existence or spontaneously disappear again, is hard to predict, the total effect of all these events happening is predictable, and the larger the scale you observe, the more predictable it is.  But no matter how large the scale, it is never totally predictable.  Again, if you are a tenth as well educated as you claim, this basic fact of probability ought to come spontaneously to you.

When you look at something the size of a rock, the probability that random quantum events in it will cause it to turn into an everena is vanishingly small, but not zero.   In fact, the chances that an entire universe comparable to our own will pop into existence out of that rock is actually also non-zero, in fact it is probably somewhat greater than the chance that another discernible Everena will pop into existence out of the rock.   The reason is there are many types of things that can pop of of that rock that we will feel comfortable calling  “another universe”, for example It could be something with 4 extended dimensions of space instead of three, or symmetry that breaks into 8 different fundamental forces rather than 4, or cosmic constant with a different value.   What pops out of the rocks will have to resemble everena more closely than that for us to say it so everena.  But, If you wait enough years (say a googleplex years or 10 raised to the power of a googleplex years), both will certainly happened.   This is the counterintuitive feature of quantum mechanics, which you, due to your lack of real education in modern science, will not be able to intuit, nor grasp even if explained to you.

But, unfortunately we are not talking about another evenrena coming magically and fully formed into existence from a particular rock, which luckily won’t happen except once every 10 to the googleplex years.   We are talking instead of spontaneous occurances of environment for basic biochemistry able to assemble somewhere in the universe, and able o evolve into more complex self-replicating assembly that can process environmental energy to improve its prospect to do so.   It seem that would take at most once every roughly 9 billion years.    Because that is how long it took for a uncaused quantum fluctuation to fortuitously lead to a universe in which our version of nuclear physics and chemistry operate, and once chemistry began to operate on a much larger scale than readily effected by individual quantum events, the chemistry became a guiding paradigm and that led to life, once life with heritable traits come into existence, evolution became the guiding paradigm that led to good things, like thinking humans, and bad things, like everena.

So that is the reality as we’ve determined hitherto using methods that prove to work.   Your logic is yours and no one, least of all reality, care about it. You can’t point to validation of your logic in circumstances comparable to where you are insisting on its applicability, and you can only assert based on hubris and no evidence, it so right because it is yours.

So I really don’t know why we atheists are so anamored with evolution.  Without evolution, there may not be any everenas in the entire universe for 10 to the googleplex years.  Yet evolution brought us at least one everena somewhere in the universe in less than 4.6 billion years.  So if I had my druthers, there would be no evolution.

[Everena]

She's back to First Cause again.

Space-time begins with the Big Bang. Causes require space and time. So asking "what caused the universe" is semantically equivalent to asking what the date was on the day before time stared and where the place was before space existed. The question is without meaning, which should tell you something about the answer.

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Things happen! Ta DAA! So it all just magically appeared and magically happened according to you? Great, but still impossible in reality where intelligence is required to create water and air and stellar fusion. The big rock in your front yard cannot create a universe. Grip reality soon.

The rock in my front yard has more ability in a single crystal than your imaginary friend.

I don't have an imaginary friend. God is very obvious to anyone who thinks about it and questions why?

[Paleophyte]

Alexa, where does the information in DNA come from?

Alexa, why is the world filled with wonderful, tasty food?

Alexa, what caused the Big Bang?

Alexa, are we really related to monkeys?
 - My name is Siri you fucking monkeyspawn!

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I don't have an imaginary friend. God is very obvious to anyone who thinks about it and questions why?

Yes, I'm sure you're a big girl and far too mature to believe in fairies.

[Amarok]

Don't feed the apologists

In philosophy, systems theory, science, and art, emergence is the condition of an entity having properties its parts do not have, due to interactions among the parts.

Ok, so my first question about emergence would be, how are these interactions among the parts happening?

What did i say

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I don't have an imaginary friend. God is very obvious to anyone who thinks about it and questions why?

Your magic energy blob is anything but obvious and even less so to anyone who question why

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Alexa, where does the information in DNA come from?

Alexa, why is the world filled with wonderful, tasty food?

Alexa, what caused the Big Bang?

Alexa, are we really related to monkeys?
 - My name is Siri you fucking monkeyspawn!

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I don't have an imaginary friend. God is very obvious to anyone who thinks about it and questions why?

Yes, I'm sure you're a big girl and far too mature to believe in fairies.

Oh no it's a magic energy blob

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Things happen! Ta DAA! So it all just magically appeared and magically happened according to you? Great, but still impossible in reality where intelligence is required to create water and air and stellar fusion. The big rock in your front yard cannot create a universe. Grip reality soon.

See what i said about apologist ploys

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Water is inanimate and has to be affected by something else like I just said.

Assertion

[Peebothuhlu]

At work.

Oh yes. Everena's thing of worship is definitely unique to Everena.

It's not the Christian diety because it's got stuff like 'Karma' and 'Reincarnation'.

Everena insists that her diety has lots of stuff that seems pretty unique to Everena's diety.