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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
October 20, 2018 at 2:18 am
(This post was last modified: October 20, 2018 at 2:30 am by vulcanlogician.)
CDF47, if you want to be taken more seriously, why not try to understand us a little more? As it stands now, you seem like a troll (or, at the very least, troll-adjacent). The mods haven't banned you as such either because you've maintained a civil veneer, or you haven't started spreading your shit outside this thread. Unlike some others here, I see some good in you. You're a bit pedantic, but maybe you have something valuable to contribute to the conversation.
The design argument suffers from this: just because there is order and design to a system, doesn't mean there is a designer. While things like the formation of our solar system remain somewhat of a mystery to us, science has produced some pretty good ideas of how this ordered system (our solar system) might have formed in the wake of (or perhaps even because of) early chaotic activity concerning the sun's formation. Doesn't this indicate that the prime mover itself might be some sort or chaotic system... rather than a God?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
October 20, 2018 at 6:24 am
(October 19, 2018 at 2:11 pm)CDF47 Wrote: (October 19, 2018 at 2:06 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Christianity is the church of rome, all of it. I do not mean catholic I mean the religious arm of the roman empire. Used to oppress and control.
Its certainly how the protestants used the church. Look at how the british empire used it for example, it was still useful then.
True Christianity is not of Rome or any earthly kingdom. It is of the Bible alone. Yes, those old Roman empire arms stretch wide which is why I believe it is the first beast of Revelation.
You do know that it was the church that wrote the bible and suppressed a lot of equally ancient texts that they didn't like.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
October 20, 2018 at 9:23 am
(October 19, 2018 at 3:25 am)CDF47 Wrote: (October 19, 2018 at 3:23 am)purplepurpose Wrote: What if your religion is also false?
There is a sound creation story (old earth creationism and day-age interpretation). There is prophecy fulfilled.
Yeah, and I'm King Isildur. 
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
October 20, 2018 at 10:55 am
Quote:There is a sound creation story (old earth creationism and day-age interpretation). There is prophecy fulfilled.
Nope just as absurd
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
October 20, 2018 at 11:02 am
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(October 17, 2018 at 7:54 pm)CDF47 Wrote: It's sent by God. He created everything.
Who's the idiot after dragging shit in around the place?
(October 17, 2018 at 8:43 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Information always comes from a mind or intelligence.
The information which came from you slipping out of the nurse's hands and falling to the hospital floor at birth didn't come from intelligence, or a mind.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
October 20, 2018 at 12:32 pm
(This post was last modified: October 20, 2018 at 12:35 pm by CDF47.)
(October 20, 2018 at 2:18 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: CDF47, if you want to be taken more seriously, why not try to understand us a little more? As it stands now, you seem like a troll (or, at the very least, troll-adjacent). The mods haven't banned you as such either because you've maintained a civil veneer, or you haven't started spreading your shit outside this thread. Unlike some others here, I see some good in you. You're a bit pedantic, but maybe you have something valuable to contribute to the conversation.
The design argument suffers from this: just because there is order and design to a system, doesn't mean there is a designer. While things like the formation of our solar system remain somewhat of a mystery to us, science has produced some pretty good ideas of how this ordered system (our solar system) might have formed in the wake of (or perhaps even because of) early chaotic activity concerning the sun's formation. Doesn't this indicate that the prime mover itself might be some sort or chaotic system... rather than a God?
I appreciate not getting banned. I am not trolling here at all. I know it gets a bit repetitive because my main point stands the same which I believe is proof of a designer. I keep having to defend that main point. I think the order in a chaotic universe shows more evidence of design. There shouldn't be such order.
(October 20, 2018 at 6:24 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: (October 19, 2018 at 2:11 pm)CDF47 Wrote: True Christianity is not of Rome or any earthly kingdom. It is of the Bible alone. Yes, those old Roman empire arms stretch wide which is why I believe it is the first beast of Revelation.
You do know that it was the church that wrote the bible and suppressed a lot of equally ancient texts that they didn't like.
They chose what is canonical. There are a lot of fake texts out there. I typically use the KJV, ESV, and NASB translations.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
October 20, 2018 at 12:37 pm
(October 20, 2018 at 12:32 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I appreciate not getting banned. I am not trolling here at all. I know it gets a bit repetitive because my main point stands the same which I believe is proof of a designer. I keep having to defend that main point. I think the order in a chaotic universe shows more evidence of design. There shouldn't be such order. I suppose that you subscribe to the idea that if you were walking along a beach and happened upon a watch, you would immediately know it was designed, right?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
October 20, 2018 at 12:56 pm
(October 20, 2018 at 12:32 pm)CDF47 Wrote: (October 20, 2018 at 2:18 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: CDF47, if you want to be taken more seriously, why not try to understand us a little more? As it stands now, you seem like a troll (or, at the very least, troll-adjacent). The mods haven't banned you as such either because you've maintained a civil veneer, or you haven't started spreading your shit outside this thread. Unlike some others here, I see some good in you. You're a bit pedantic, but maybe you have something valuable to contribute to the conversation.
The design argument suffers from this: just because there is order and design to a system, doesn't mean there is a designer. While things like the formation of our solar system remain somewhat of a mystery to us, science has produced some pretty good ideas of how this ordered system (our solar system) might have formed in the wake of (or perhaps even because of) early chaotic activity concerning the sun's formation. Doesn't this indicate that the prime mover itself might be some sort or chaotic system... rather than a God?
I appreciate not getting banned. I am not trolling here at all. I know it gets a bit repetitive because my main point stands the same which I believe is proof of a designer. I keep having to defend that main point.
The arguments you put forward for your main point were comprehensively refuted and yet you didn't add anything new, just kept banging on at the same old stuff.
DNA does not prove or imply a designer.
For example you do not go on to say how the designer designed its design. What was its process? where did it get the materials? etc etc etc.
Show us a truly worked out and evidenced argument as to how it did it and perhaps we'll revisit. At the moment all you say is "I dunno how it happened so it must be magic man".
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
October 20, 2018 at 1:02 pm
(October 20, 2018 at 12:56 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: (October 20, 2018 at 12:32 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I appreciate not getting banned. I am not trolling here at all. I know it gets a bit repetitive because my main point stands the same which I believe is proof of a designer. I keep having to defend that main point.
The arguments you put forward for your main point were comprehensively refuted and yet you didn't add anything new, just kept banging on at the same old stuff.
DNA does not prove or imply a designer.
For example you do not go on to say how the designer designed its design. What was its process? where did it get the materials? etc etc etc.
Show us a truly worked out and evidenced argument as to how it did it and perhaps we'll revisit. At the moment all you say is "I dunno how it happened so it must be magic man".
It's classic "god of the gaps" thinking with an unhealthy dose of gish gallop, argument from ignorance, non-sequitur, unevidenced assertion, argument from authority...
If we had a logical fallacy bingo card going, somebody would have had a win hundreds of posts ago.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
October 20, 2018 at 1:06 pm
At work.
Not only can CDF47 not answer such questions.
Their assertions (Hypothesis is too kind an appellation by this point) can't even be worked forwwrds.
Such as my question in regards to ascertaining which sort of mutation was 'Sin' caused or environment caused. As well as the opposite of "If 'Sin' causes deleterious mutations. What is it that causes beneficial mutations?"
The reply simply of 'Upgrade' was distinctly lacking in substance.
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