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Amazing resources from Wikipedia.
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teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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June 5, 2018 at 2:22 am
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
Keep bending and twisting, GC. Virtually all Biblical and classical scholars, even believers, believe that the Bible is not without error.
  (June 4, 2018 at 10:51 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I’m just guessing, but you wouldn’t believe my motorcycle trips either, by this reasoning (or work trips for that matter). Compared to a major quibble like Samson killing a thousand men with the jawbone of a donkey and then losing his strength when his hair was cut off, which is impossible to explain.  (June 5, 2018 at 9:03 am)Little lunch Wrote:(June 4, 2018 at 10:51 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I’m just guessing, but you wouldn’t believe my motorcycle trips either, by this reasoning (or work trips for that matter). That would be a better argument from incredulity yes. Much better than the argument of "cannot get there from here" or the argument from "one can only walk in straight lines" It's still fallacious, and yet a big step up. Congrats!
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther (June 5, 2018 at 9:13 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote:(June 5, 2018 at 9:03 am)Little lunch Wrote: Compared to a major quibble like Samson killing a thousand men with the jawbone of a donkey and then losing his strength when his hair was cut off, which is impossible to explain. In 1st century Palestine, there were Roman roads and people did use them. It's like someone saying that they sailed to Europe from the United States by going to the West.  (June 5, 2018 at 5:33 pm)Jehanne Wrote:(June 5, 2018 at 9:13 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: That would be a better argument from incredulity yes. And what are your assumptions here? Are you saying you cannot get there from here?
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther |
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