Israeli forces kill medic, wound 100 protesters in Gaza unrest, Palestinian ministry

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"All you whitey look the same to me."

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Sorry, Atlas, that's not how it works.  Whatever the truth about the Balfour agreement, the U.S. was not a party to that agreement, so your previous crap about it is not any kind of support for your claim that Israel is any kind of "tip of the spear" for U.S. interests in the region, least of which for any crazy talk about the U.S. wanting to make the Middle East the latest American bread basket.  Maybe if the Ottomans hadn't wanted their country to be carved up like a piece of meat, they shouldn't have thrown in with the likes of Germany.  So, despite your bullshit narrative, we see that the Arab situation in the Middle East is as much a result of Arabs fucking themselves in the ass as it has to do with Britain and "the joos."

I said "took" Britain's role; not "turned into Britain". America already made the whole world its new basket; did you forget the Petro Dollar ?
I blame Arabs for the mess they are in, actually I already spent years on this forum fighting my own fight, calling the Arab culture everything from "sexist" to "savage"; did you forget that these people ate prophet Mohammed uncle's liver after a battle? cannibals, so I won't defend the Arab culture, believe me. I'm a "Muslim". Arab is just a color I'm born with, I love the desert but that's it.

But is that gives the right to invaders to come in, butcher the natives of Arabia and take it to themselves?
There's a truth being covered, and a population getting eradicated.

The majority of Afghans supported the American invasion of their country. During the initial invasion, US and UK forces bombed al-Qaeda training camps. The United States began working with the Northern Alliance to remove the Taliban from power.

Wikipedia || Afghanistan

They also supported the Taliban.
If we're in a Soviet world, then all of them supported the USSR also.

You do realize of course that occupying a country actually requires, you know, occupying the country?

And installing a puppet government, that serves the interests of the invader? did you look at the gear of the Iraqi troops after the invasion? don't make me laugh.

You're just getting more and more ridiculous.  Is there no event in history that you won't spin to serve your prejudice and bigotry?

You have the nerve to talk, after the exposure that "9/11" was done by one the best allies of the U.S in the Middle East -just like the conthperiacy theorithts used to say-, after the "secret" alliance between Saudi Arabia and Israel was exposed, and after Trump's grand treason to the Palestinian cause by declaring Jerusalem as the capital of Israel?

It was a victory for "conthperiathy theorithts" like me, honestly. But such a bitter one, because the world is full of you.

But hold my words as the truth..America have supported the dirt of the earth in this region, and its terrorists are invading our region, assigning dictators on our throats, yes Arabs have issues, yes they brought it upon themselves, but open up history books to see the ugly, disgusting face of the European & American invasions.

Their foreign policy massacred the natives of a whole continent. And we're next.
No, it's not our fault. Not at all.

They will bring the earth's doom pretty soon.

The Ottoman Empire was rife with anti-semitic nationalism long before the British got there.  Why did it choose Palestine?  Maybe because it was their ancestral homeland until a bunch of Babylonian fucks evicted them from it.  And again, an actual reading of history shows that it wasn't so much any effort of the British that brought the Jews to Israel, but rather European persecution, by, among others, the Nazis.  The record shows that the British even attempted to limit Jewish migration to the region.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of...man_Empire

By the time of the Ottoman conquests, Anatolia had been home to centuries old communities of Hellenistic and later Byzantine Jews. The Ottoman Empire became a safe haven for Iberian Jews fleeing persecution, and in its heyday, the city of Thessaloniki had a Jewish majority.

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It was their home according to Biblical text, and Quranic verses only. I didn't know you were a believer of the Quran.
If I have a tiny DNA pointing to Europe, can I come without a visa? Then why do the Jews get to come to Palestine?

Why do you follow the religious story, if you claim "atheism"? you're not an atheist if you buy the zionist justification for the invasion of Palestine, because that is one Abrahamic justification, I believe their ancestors took Palestine through heavenly orders from God, but do you even believe in God??? that is one contradiction that I find hard to understand.

The Third (1919–23) and Fourth Aliyahs (1924–29) brought an additional 100,000 Jews to Palestine. The rise of Nazism and the increasing persecution of Jews in 1930s Europe led to the Fifth Aliyah, with an influx of a quarter of a million Jews. This was a major cause of the Arab revolt of 1936–39 during which the British Mandate authorities alongside the Zionist militias of Haganah and Irgun killed 5,032 Arabs and wounded 14,760, resulting in over ten percent of the adult male Palestinian Arab population killed, wounded, imprisoned or exiled. The British introduced restrictions on Jewish immigration to Palestine with the White Paper of 1939. With countries around the world turning away Jewish refugees fleeing the Holocaust, a clandestine movement known as Aliyah Bet was organized to bring Jews to Palestine. By the end of World War II, the Jewish population of Palestine had increased to 33% of the total population.

Wikipedia || Israel

So, no, history doesn't support your claim that the U.S. is using Israel as a spearhead for eventual invasion.  That's just your crazy reinterpretation of history.

The huge bald part is just a back up for my previous comment.
Jewish gangs made a genocide at Palestine to find a place for its citizens there.

As for America, the white house is more zionist than Israel itself.

On 29 November 1947, the General Assembly adopted Resolution 181 (II) recommending the adoption and implementation of the Plan of Partition with Economic Union. ... The Arab League and Arab Higher Committee of Palestine rejected it, and indicated that they would reject any other plan of partition. On the following day, 1 December 1947, the Arab Higher Committee proclaimed a three-day strike, and Arab gangs began attacking Jewish targets. The Jews were initially on the defensive as civil war broke out, but in early April 1948 moved onto the offensive. The Arab Palestinian economy collapsed and 250,000 Palestinian Arabs fled or were expelled.

Wikipedia || Israel

Once again, we see that the Palestinian problem is as much a result of Arabs fucking themselves in the ass than any fault of Britain, and most assuredly not the fault of the United States.

All the governments included are Arab puppet regimes installed by Britain in sykes-picot treaty before...come tell me about bias

[Angrboda]

Whatever the truth about the Balfour agreement, the U.S. was not a party to that agreement, so your previous crap about it is not any kind of support for your claim that Israel is any kind of "tip of the spear" for U.S. interests in the region, least of which for any crazy talk about the U.S. wanting to make the Middle East the latest American bread basket.  Maybe if the Ottomans hadn't wanted their country to be carved up like a piece of meat, they shouldn't have thrown in with the likes of Germany.  So, despite your bullshit narrative, we see that the Arab situation in the Middle East is as much a result of Arabs fucking themselves in the ass as it has to do with Britain and "the joos."

I was mistaken that the U.S. was not a party to the Balfour declaration. Wilson consented to it in late 1917. I was thinking of the Sykes-Picot agreement. Regardless, the Balfour declaration was primarily a French and British initiative, with the U.S. only consenting to it following pressure from their allies. So the Balfour declaration itself is hardly any evidence of a U.S. led initiative in the region as your "tip of the spear" rhetoric seems to imply.

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I may have more to say on the matter another time, but I just had to point out this blatant misrepresentation of sources on your part.

The Ottoman Empire was rife with anti-semitic nationalism long before the British got there.  Why did it choose Palestine?  Maybe because it was their ancestral homeland until a bunch of Babylonian fucks evicted them from it.  And again, an actual reading of history shows that it wasn't so much any effort of the British that brought the Jews to Israel, but rather European persecution, by, among others, the Nazis.  The record shows that the British even attempted to limit Jewish migration to the region.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of...man_Empire

By the time of the Ottoman conquests, Anatolia had been home to centuries old communities of Hellenistic and later Byzantine Jews. The Ottoman Empire became a safe haven for Iberian Jews fleeing persecution, and in its heyday, the city of Thessaloniki had a Jewish majority.

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The first misrepresentation is that events in the 14th and 15th century are an apt description of events in the pre-World War I Ottoman Empire.  The second is even more egregious, as one can see from reading further down in the very article that you quote to refute my point.

Antisemitism

Historian Martin Gilbert writes that it was in the 19th century that the position of Jews worsened in Muslim countries. According to Mark Cohen in The Oxford Handbook of Jewish Studies, most scholars conclude that Arab anti-Semitism in the modern world arose in the nineteenth century, against the backdrop of conflicting Jewish and Arab nationalism, and was imported into the Arab world primarily by nationalistically minded Christian Arabs (and only subsequently was it "Islamized").

There was a massacre of Jews in Baghdad in 1828. There was a massacre of Jews in Barfurush in 1867.

In 1865, when the equality of all subjects of the Ottoman Empire was proclaimed, Cevdet Pasha, a high-ranking official observed: "whereas in former times, in the Ottoman State, the communities were ranked, with the Muslims first, then the Greeks, then the Armenians, then the Jews, now all of them were put on the same level. Some Greeks objected to this, saying: 'The government has put us together with the Jews. We were content with the supremacy of Islam.'"

Throughout the 1860s, the Jews of Libya were subjected to what Gilbert calls punitive taxation. In 1864, around 500 Jews were killed in Marrakech and Fezin Morocco. In 1869, 18 Jews were killed in Tunis, and an Arab mob looted Jewish homes and stores, and burned synagogues, on Jerba Island. In 1875, 20 Jews were killed by a mob in Demnat, Morocco; elsewhere in Morocco, Jews were attacked and killed in the streets in broad daylight. In 1891, the leading Muslims in Jerusalem asked the Ottoman authorities in Constantinople to prohibit the entry of Jews arriving from Russia. In 1897, synagogues were ransacked and Jews were murdered in Tripolitania.

Benny Morris writes that one symbol of Jewish degradation was the phenomenon of stone-throwing at Jews by Muslim children. Morris quotes a 19th-century traveler:

"I have seen a little fellow of six years old, with a troop of fat toddlers of only three and four, teaching [them] to throw stones at a Jew, and one little urchin would, with the greatest coolness, waddle up to the man and literally spit upon his Jewish gaberdine. To all this the Jew is obliged to submit; it would be more than his life was worth to offer to strike a Mahommedan."

The overwhelming majority of the Ottoman Jews lived in the European-provinces of the Empire. As the empire lost control over its European provinces in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, these Jewish communities found themselves under Christian rule. The Bosnian Jews for example came under Austro-Hungarian rule after the occupation of the region in 1878, the independence of Greece, Bulgaria and Serbia further lowered the number of Jews within the borders of the Ottoman Empire.

Wikipedia || History of the Jews in the Ottoman Empire

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Whatever the truth about the Balfour agreement, the U.S. was not a party to that agreement, so your previous crap about it is not any kind of support for your claim that Israel is any kind of "tip of the spear" for U.S. interests in the region, least of which for any crazy talk about the U.S. wanting to make the Middle East the latest American bread basket.  Maybe if the Ottomans hadn't wanted their country to be carved up like a piece of meat, they shouldn't have thrown in with the likes of Germany.  So, despite your bullshit narrative, we see that the Arab situation in the Middle East is as much a result of Arabs fucking themselves in the ass as it has to do with Britain and "the joos."

I was mistaken that the U.S. was not a party to the Balfour declaration.  Wilson consented to it in late 1917.  I was thinking of the Sykes-Picot agreement.  Regardless, the Balfour declaration was primarily a French and British initiative, with the U.S. only consenting to it following pressure from their allies.  So the Balfour declaration itself is hardly any evidence of a U.S. led initiative in the region as your "tip of the spear" rhetoric seems to imply.

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The direct explicit pointing to the contribution of the U.S can be found in the same link, below:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

Sections of the British press assumed that a Jewish state was intended even before the Declaration was finalized.[xix] In the United States the press began using the terms "Jewish National Home", "Jewish State", "Jewish republic" and "Jewish Commonwealth" interchangeably.[161]

Treaty expert David Hunter Miller, who was at the conference and subsequently compiled a 22 volume compendium of documents, provides a report of the Intelligence Section of the American Delegation to the Paris Peace Conference of 1919 which recommended that "there be established a separate state in Palestine," and that "it will be the policy of the League of Nations to recognize Palestine as a Jewish state, as soon as it is a Jewish state in fact."[162][163

The U.S played a very crucial role in the creation of Israel.
Later on, the U.S started to become the bigger player in the Middle East, and it "inherited" most properties the British owned. The British lost in WW2, America won; without the U.S, Britain would've been a Nazi colony.

The U.S political scene witnessed a zionist victory -Trump is the final evidece-,the white house is full of Christians who believe truly that the rapture is coming, and for that Israel must stand. So it's a win win: take all the resources of the Arabs, keep the Muslims leashed, and win the company of Jesus too.

Give me a reason for the creation of Israel. I already told you the British goal -and it is documented in the same link above-:

French influence had grown in Palestine and the wider Middle East as protector of the Catholic communities began to grow, just as Russian influence had grown as protector of the Eastern Orthodox in the same regions. This left Britain without a sphere of influence,[4] and thus a need to find or create their own regional "protégés".[6]

Why does America VETO for Israel's sake, and back it up since 1919?
The American camp itself is fractured between secular politicians, money seeking politicians, zionist enthusiasts, so you can combine all of these to justify the American stand with Israel; right now I believe that the zionist wing won.

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I may have more to say on the matter another time, but I just had to point out this blatant misrepresentation of sources on your part.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of...man_Empire



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The first misrepresentation is that events in the 14th and 15th century are an apt description of events in the pre-World War I Ottoman Empire.  The second is even more egregious, as one can see from reading further down in the very article that you quote to refute my point.

Antisemitism

Historian Martin Gilbert writes that it was in the 19th century that the position of Jews worsened in Muslim countries. According to Mark Cohen in The Oxford Handbook of Jewish Studies, most scholars conclude that Arab anti-Semitism in the modern world arose in the nineteenth century, against the backdrop of conflicting Jewish and Arab nationalism, and was imported into the Arab world primarily by nationalistically minded Christian Arabs (and only subsequently was it "Islamized").

There was a massacre of Jews in Baghdad in 1828. There was a massacre of Jews in Barfurush in 1867.

In 1865, when the equality of all subjects of the Ottoman Empire was proclaimed, Cevdet Pasha, a high-ranking official observed: "whereas in former times, in the Ottoman State, the communities were ranked, with the Muslims first, then the Greeks, then the Armenians, then the Jews, now all of them were put on the same level. Some Greeks objected to this, saying: 'The government has put us together with the Jews. We were content with the supremacy of Islam.'"

Throughout the 1860s, the Jews of Libya were subjected to what Gilbert calls punitive taxation. In 1864, around 500 Jews were killed in Marrakech and Fezin Morocco. In 1869, 18 Jews were killed in Tunis, and an Arab mob looted Jewish homes and stores, and burned synagogues, on Jerba Island. In 1875, 20 Jews were killed by a mob in Demnat, Morocco; elsewhere in Morocco, Jews were attacked and killed in the streets in broad daylight. In 1891, the leading Muslims in Jerusalem asked the Ottoman authorities in Constantinople to prohibit the entry of Jews arriving from Russia. In 1897, synagogues were ransacked and Jews were murdered in Tripolitania.

Benny Morris writes that one symbol of Jewish degradation was the phenomenon of stone-throwing at Jews by Muslim children. Morris quotes a 19th-century traveler:

"I have seen a little fellow of six years old, with a troop of fat toddlers of only three and four, teaching [them] to throw stones at a Jew, and one little urchin would, with the greatest coolness, waddle up to the man and literally spit upon his Jewish gaberdine. To all this the Jew is obliged to submit; it would be more than his life was worth to offer to strike a Mahommedan."

The overwhelming majority of the Ottoman Jews lived in the European-provinces of the Empire. As the empire lost control over its European provinces in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, these Jewish communities found themselves under Christian rule. The Bosnian Jews for example came under Austro-Hungarian rule after the occupation of the region in 1878, the independence of Greece, Bulgaria and Serbia further lowered the number of Jews within the borders of the Ottoman Empire.

Wikipedia || History of the Jews in the Ottoman Empire

The Ottoman empire started to reject Islam and turn to a model copy-pasted from the west -just like WW2 Japanese empire-, it didn't just kill Jews, it killed everybody. Why do you think the Arabs revolted against the Turks?

The genocide against the Armenian people was also an example for the insanity the Ottomans reached at their end.
Point is: Jews weren't targeted for their religion. Everybody was targeted.

[Angrboda]

No, contrary to your bullshit narrative, the U.S. did not take over any "role" from the British. Your entire contention was that the British "role" was that of impregnating Arab lands with foreign Jews. Despite having been shown otherwise, you continue to push that narrative. Since the emergence of Israel as an independent state after World War II, the U.S. has supported Israel in the region, but since that's not your contention, that is irrelevant. From its inception as a state, Israel's enemies in Palestine and the greater Arab world have been repeatedly shooting themselves in the foot, from the initial Arab and Palestinian reactions which led to such brutal British reprisals as that of the 1936–1939 Arab revolt, to the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, to the bellicose acts of Egypt and her allies in provoking the Six-Day War. The U.S. has not assumed any "role" in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and quite the contrary, has many times attempted to broker peace between the two parties.

As for the rest of your ranting, again, no, the U.S. is not and has not been engaged in any war to steal the resources out from under the Arabs as your "tip of the spear" comment seems to imply. As noted, the coalition had majority support of the Afghans, in addition to the fact that the U.S. was responding to the Taliban's harboring of terrorists who had just claimed 3,000 American lives in an unprovoked attack on the U.S. I don't know about you, but I consider that a legitimate security threat, and not simply a ham-handed land grab as you seem to want to make it. As for Iraq, while it is true that the fatal blow to the Hussein regime was a consequence of faulty intelligence, the end result was the sequelae of many preceding events, starting with the invasion of Kuwait in 1990. Iraq's continued belligerence and failure to comply with UN sanctions ultimately led to the regime's downfall. I actually lived through those events, Atlas, how old were you in 1990? The U.S. has and has had legitimate interests in the region, and has pursued those interests with greater and lesser success. What the U.S. has not done is either attempt to plunder the region for its resources, nor set up a series of puppet regimes as the Soviets did after World War II.

So, no, the U.S. hasn't assumed any bogus "role" from Britain, nor is she poised to take over the Middle East for her resources.

Everybody has a grievance against somebody. The Jews against the Babylonians and the Romans. The Jews against the Arabs, both Christian and Muslim. The Jews against the Nazis. The Arabs against the British. The Arabs against "The Great Satan." Only thing is, you seem to want to selectively dismiss certain grievances and embrace others. And the reasons for that are as plain as day. You'll distort any fact of history in support of that hateful agenda. Despite your dishonest narrative, the U.S. is not "The Great Satan" (that honor belongs a little closer to you). Israel has earned her supremacy in the Middle East by kicking ass and taking names, and that upsets you, so you want to point fingers anywhere but at the primary protagonists in the region. That's both dishonest and despicable. Israel is not any "tip of the spear," nor is the U.S. poised to rape the heartland of the Middle East. Your narrative is simply false.

When you first came to the forum, I remarked that I thought you were both stupid and ignorant. I guess now we'll have to add "crazy" and "bigoted" to your résumé.

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The direct explicit pointing to the contribution of the U.S can be found in the same link, below:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

Sections of the British press assumed that a Jewish state was intended even before the Declaration was finalized.[xix] In the United States the press began using the terms "Jewish National Home", "Jewish State", "Jewish republic" and "Jewish Commonwealth" interchangeably.[161]

Treaty expert David Hunter Miller, who was at the conference and subsequently compiled a 22 volume compendium of documents, provides a report of the Intelligence Section of the American Delegation to the Paris Peace Conference of 1919 which recommended that "there be established a separate state in Palestine," and that "it will be the policy of the League of Nations to recognize Palestine as a Jewish state, as soon as it is a Jewish state in fact."[162][163

The U.S played a very crucial role in the creation of Israel.

The Arabs themselves played an even bigger role in the creation of Israel than the U.S. ever had:

The 1948 Arab–Israeli War, or the First Arab–Israeli War, was fought between the State of Israel and a military coalition of Arab states over the control of Palestine, forming the second stage of the 1948 Palestine war.

There had been tension and conflict between the Arabs and the Jews, and between each of them and the British forces, ever since the 1917 Balfour Declaration and the 1920 creation of the British Mandate of Palestine. British policies dissatisfied both Arabs and Jews. The Arabs' opposition developed into the 1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine, while the Jewish resistance developed into the Jewish insurgency in Palestine (1944–1947). In 1947 these ongoing tensions erupted into civil war, following the 29 November 1947 adoption of the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine, which planned to divide Palestine into three areas: an Arab state, a Jewish state and the Special International Regime for the cities of Jerusalem and Bethlehem.

On 15 May 1948, the ongoing civil war transformed into an inter-state conflict between Israel and the Arab states, following the Israeli Declaration of Independence the previous day. A combined invasion by Egypt, Jordan and Syria, together with expeditionary forces from Iraq, entered Palestine – Jordan having declared privately to Yishuv emissaries on 2 May that it would abide by a decision not to attack the Jewish state. The invading forces took control of the Arab areas and immediately attacked Israeli forces and several Jewish settlements. The 10 months of fighting, interrupted by several truce periods, took place mostly on the former territory of the British Mandate and for a short time also in the Sinai Peninsula and southern Lebanon.

As a result of the war, the State of Israel controlled both the area that the UN General Assembly Resolution 181 had recommended for the proposed Jewish state as well as almost 60% of the area of Arab state proposed by the 1948 Partition Plan, including the Jaffa, Lydda and Ramle area, Galilee, some parts of the Negev, a wide strip along the Tel Aviv–Jerusalem road, West Jerusalem and some territories in the West Bank. Transjordan took control of the remainder of the former British mandate, which it annexed, and the Egyptian military took control of the Gaza Strip. At the Jericho Conference on 1 December 1948, 2,000 Palestinian delegates called for unification of Palestine and Transjordan as a step toward full Arab unity. No state was created for the Palestinian Arabs.

The conflict triggered significant demographic change throughout the Middle East. Around 700,000 Palestinian Arabs fled or were expelled from their homes in the area that became Israel, and they became Palestinian refugees in what they refer to as Al-Nakba ("the catastrophe"). In the three years following the war, about 700,000 Jews immigrated to Israel, with many of them having been expelled from their previous countries of residence in the Middle East.

Wikipedia || 1948 Arab–Israeli War

[The Grand Nudger]

Our "crucial role" in the establishment of israel was to attempt to stop jews fleeing the holocaust and..thereafter, placing an arms embargo on the state such that people had to smuggle in weapons and aircraft (and pilots...lol) in order to beat the shit out of the arabs of the region.  Canadia was the main point of embarkment for all three..so maybe you should direct your ire to our neighbors from the north?

The us..in truth, has never been particularly fond of teh joo or of israel. The only use of the state for neocon religious nitwits was to exist to be destroyed and bring back jesus......lol. They were rooting for you guys!

How were we supposed to know you;d turn out to be such a disappointment?

[WinterHold]

No, contrary to your bullshit narrative, the U.S. did not take over any "role" from the British.  Your entire contention was that the British "role" was that of impregnating Arab lands with foreign Jews.  (1)Despite having been shown otherwise, you continue to push that narrative.  (2)Since the emergence of Israel as an independent state after World War II, the U.S. has supported Israel in the region, but since that's not your contention, that is irrelevant.  (3)From its inception as a state, Israel's enemies in Palestine and the greater Arab world have been repeatedly shooting themselves in the foot, from the initial Arab and Palestinian reactions which led to such brutal British reprisals as that of the 1936–1939 Arab revolt, to the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, to the bellicose acts of Egypt and her allies in provoking the Six-Day War.  (4)The U.S. has not assumed any "role" in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and quite the contrary, has many times attempted to broker peace between the two parties.

As for the rest of your ranting, again, no, the U.S. is not and has not been engaged in any war to steal the resources out from under the Arabs as your "tip of the spear" comment seems to imply.  As noted, the coalition had majority support of the Afghans, in addition to the fact that the U.S. was responding to the Taliban's harboring of terrorists who had just claimed 3,000 American lives in an unprovoked attack on the U.S.  I don't know about you, but I consider that a legitimate security threat, and not simply a ham-handed land grab as you seem to want to make it.  As for Iraq, while it is true that the fatal blow to the Hussein regime was a consequence of faulty intelligence, the end result was the sequelae of many preceding events, starting with the invasion of Kuwait in 1990.  Iraq's continued belligerence and failure to comply with UN sanctions ultimately led to the regime's downfall.  I actually lived through those events, Atlas, how old were you in 1990?  The U.S. has and has had legitimate interests in the region, and has pursued those interests with greater and lesser success.  What the U.S. has not done is either attempt to plunder the region for its resources, nor set up a series of puppet regimes as the Soviets did after World War II.  

So, no, the U.S. hasn't assumed any bogus "role" from Britain, nor is she poised to take over the Middle East for her resources.

Everybody has a grievance against somebody.  The Jews against the Babylonians and the Romans.  The Jews against the Arabs, both Christian and Muslim.  The Jews against the Nazis. The Arabs against the British.  The Arabs against "The Great Satan."  Only thing is, you seem to want to selectively dismiss certain grievances and embrace others.  And the reasons for that are as plain as day.  You'll distort any fact of history in support of that hateful agenda.  Despite your dishonest narrative, the U.S. is not "The Great Satan" (that honor belongs a little closer to you).  Israel has earned her supremacy in the Middle East by kicking ass and taking names, and that upsets you, so you want to point fingers anywhere but at the primary protagonists in the region.  That's both dishonest and despicable.  Israel is not any "tip of the spear," nor is the U.S. poised to rape the heartland of the Middle East.  Your narrative is simply false.

When you first came to the forum, I remarked that I thought you were both stupid and ignorant.  I guess now we'll have to add "crazy" and "bigoted" to your résumé.

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(1) The U.S did take a huge role in the creation of Israel:

Sections of the British press assumed that a Jewish state was intended even before the Declaration was finalized.[xix] In the United States the press began using the terms "Jewish National Home", "Jewish State", "Jewish republic" and "Jewish Commonwealth" interchangeably.[161]

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Weizmann had argued that the declaration would have three effects: it would swing Russia to maintain pressure on Germany's Eastern Front, since Jews had been prominent in the March Revolution of 1917; it would rally the large Jewish community in the United States to press for greater funding for the American war effort, underway since April of that year; and, lastly, that it would undermine German Jewish support for Kaiser Wilhelm II.[232]

The declaration spurred an unintended and extraordinary increase in the number of adherents of American Zionism; in 1914 the 200 American Zionist societies comprised a total of 7,500 members, which grew to 30,000 members in 600 societies in 1918 and 149,000 members in 1919.[xxv]

Without the U.S; Zionism and Israel would've been no more.

(2) As evidence shows, the support of Israel in the U.S began since 1914, which predates WW2 with a long time.

(3) In this, I agree with you. Israeli zionists always said: "Arabs don't read". It's true; Arabs failed to read from their Quran, up until human books. So they payed. So I agree with you. But they shot themselves in the groin; not the foot.

(4) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%..._relations

During the early 1960s, the U.S. government sought to establish a regional arms limitation agreement in the Middle East. The initiative lost steam in early 1965 after it was disclosed that the U.S. had been indirectly supplying weapons to Israel via West Germany since 1962, under the terms of a 1960 secret agreement to supply Israel with $80 million worth of armaments. The remainder of the agreement was fulfilled publicly, following its disclosure by the U.S., with Israel receiving shipments of M48 Patton tanks in 1965 and A-4E Skyhawk attack aircraft in 1968.[10]

In 1987, the United States granted Israel the status of major non-NATO ally, enabling it to compete equally with NATO and other US allies for contracts and purchase advanced US weapons systems. Israel became the largest recipient of United States military aid in the world (see military aid and procurement below).[3] In 1988, Reagan and Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir signed a memorandum of understanding to formalize and perpetuate the work of the bilateral US-Israel military, security and economic working groups.[12]

Jörmungand, do you seriously know what you're talking about?
America supported Israel since 1965 -officially- with weapons and training; and since the late 80s Israel was just like a NATO country.

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As for the rest of your ranting, again, no, the U.S. is not and has not been engaged in any war to steal the resources out from under the Arabs as your "tip of the spear" comment seems to imply.  As noted, the coalition had majority support of the Afghans, in addition to the fact that the U.S. was responding to the Taliban's harboring of terrorists who had just claimed 3,000 American lives in an unprovoked attack on the U.S.  I don't know about you, but I consider that a legitimate security threat, and not simply a ham-handed land grab as you seem to want to make it.  As for Iraq, while it is true that the fatal blow to the Hussein regime was a consequence of faulty intelligence, the end result was the sequelae of many preceding events, starting with the invasion of Kuwait in 1990.  Iraq's continued belligerence and failure to comply with UN sanctions ultimately led to the regime's downfall.  I actually lived through those events, Atlas, how old were you in 1990?  The U.S. has and has had legitimate interests in the region, and has pursued those interests with greater and lesser success.  What the U.S. has not done is either attempt to plunder the region for its resources, nor set up a series of puppet regimes as the Soviets did after World War II.  

The Iraq war says otherwise.
Who are these "Afghans" that agreed to the invasion? you speak as if Afghanistan was a democratic state with democratic elections !
It turned out that 9/11 was the job of Saudi Arabia officially:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_Ag...rorism_Act
Right now there's a case against the Saudi terrorist act. Please; update your info.
In other words, the U.S government played you -and the whole world- like a chimp when it invaded Iraq and Afghanistan under the excuse of "Osama is there" and "9/11". BTW the CIA knows where did the attacks came from and who did it.
Ask yourself why the American government is still a friend to Saudi Arabia even though JASTA (Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism) is in place.

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So, no, the U.S. hasn't assumed any bogus "role" from Britain, nor is she poised to take over the Middle East for her resources.

Everybody has a grievance against somebody.  The Jews against the Babylonians and the Romans.  The Jews against the Arabs, both Christian and Muslim.  The Jews against the Nazis. The Arabs against the British.  The Arabs against "The Great Satan."  Only thing is, you seem to want to selectively dismiss certain grievances and embrace others.  And the reasons for that are as plain as day.  You'll distort any fact of history in support of that hateful agenda.  Despite your dishonest narrative, the U.S. is not "The Great Satan" (that honor belongs a little closer to you).  Israel has earned her supremacy in the Middle East by kicking ass and taking names, and that upsets you, so you want to point fingers anywhere but at the primary protagonists in the region.  That's both dishonest and despicable.  Israel is not any "tip of the spear," nor is the U.S. poised to rape the heartland of the Middle East.  Your narrative is simply false.

When you first came to the forum, I remarked that I thought you were both stupid and ignorant.  I guess now we'll have to add "crazy" and "bigoted" to your résumé.

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The direct explicit pointing to the contribution of the U.S can be found in the same link, below:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration


The U.S played a very crucial role in the creation of Israel.

The Arabs themselves played an even bigger role in the creation of Israel than the U.S. ever had:

The 1948 Arab–Israeli War, or the First Arab–Israeli War, was fought between the State of Israel and a military coalition of Arab states over the control of Palestine, forming the second stage of the 1948 Palestine war.

There had been tension and conflict between the Arabs and the Jews, and between each of them and the British forces, ever since the 1917 Balfour Declaration and the 1920 creation of the British Mandate of Palestine. British policies dissatisfied both Arabs and Jews. The Arabs' opposition developed into the 1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine, while the Jewish resistance developed into the Jewish insurgency in Palestine (1944–1947). In 1947 these ongoing tensions erupted into civil war, following the 29 November 1947 adoption of the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine, which planned to divide Palestine into three areas: an Arab state, a Jewish state and the Special International Regime for the cities of Jerusalem and Bethlehem.

On 15 May 1948, the ongoing civil war transformed into an inter-state conflict between Israel and the Arab states, following the Israeli Declaration of Independence the previous day. A combined invasion by Egypt, Jordan and Syria, together with expeditionary forces from Iraq, entered Palestine – Jordan having declared privately to Yishuv emissaries on 2 May that it would abide by a decision not to attack the Jewish state. The invading forces took control of the Arab areas and immediately attacked Israeli forces and several Jewish settlements. The 10 months of fighting, interrupted by several truce periods, took place mostly on the former territory of the British Mandate and for a short time also in the Sinai Peninsula and southern Lebanon.

As a result of the war, the State of Israel controlled both the area that the UN General Assembly Resolution 181 had recommended for the proposed Jewish state as well as almost 60% of the area of Arab state proposed by the 1948 Partition Plan, including the Jaffa, Lydda and Ramle area, Galilee, some parts of the Negev, a wide strip along the Tel Aviv–Jerusalem road, West Jerusalem and some territories in the West Bank. Transjordan took control of the remainder of the former British mandate, which it annexed, and the Egyptian military took control of the Gaza Strip. At the Jericho Conference on 1 December 1948, 2,000 Palestinian delegates called for unification of Palestine and Transjordan as a step toward full Arab unity. No state was created for the Palestinian Arabs.

The conflict triggered significant demographic change throughout the Middle East. Around 700,000 Palestinian Arabs fled or were expelled from their homes in the area that became Israel, and they became Palestinian refugees in what they refer to as Al-Nakba ("the catastrophe"). In the three years following the war, about 700,000 Jews immigrated to Israel, with many of them having been expelled from their previous countries of residence in the Middle East.

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War]Wikipedia || 1948 Arab–Israeli War

From my view, you are the crazy one, because after JASTA you still believe that the Taliban and Osama were "the planners" of 9/11.
I think Satan himself would be embarrassed to be linked to your opinion.

[The Grand Nudger]

It never occurs to you that you may have been slightly misinformed about the great satan, does it, lol? Even when we do dirt, you get the details of the dirt we do hilariously wrong.

[Angrboda]

So your entire argument is based on JASTA? Boy, you really aren't playing with a full deck, are you?

[LastPoet]

Nuke from orbit. Its the only way to be sure this parasitic species is eliminated

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[WinterHold]

So your entire argument is based on JASTA?  Boy, you really aren't playing with a full deck, are you?

The argument is simply this: "Iraq and Afghanistan were never invaded because of 9/11 or Osama".
JASTA proved that the U.S had all it needed to pinpoint Saudi Arabia, it knew that the Sauds were behind the attacks (no way an attack plan this big remains hidden; even we the people heard about it years ago-, they knew that Saddam has no Weapons of Mass Destruction -they even trialed that British fuck for lying, Tony Blair-, but still the Pentagon played with the emotions of people to "justify its War on Terror" and kept on the invasion going.

How many soldiers went to Iraq and died, thinking they are "doing what's right"? Turns out they died for a lie, it's ironic though how the media forgot about that.

What about Afghanistan? Osama the dead, right?





The CIA didn't just fool the world; it didn't just play soccer with humanity, it practiced a variety of sports with the intelligence of people.

So yes; JASTA is a long awaited proof. And I still wait for the day American politicians and figures get trialed for their role in 9/11, the Saudies were just pawns, I mean they can't even handle Russia's football team but they would blow the WTC???