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Another reason to accept evolution.....
#51
RE: Another reason to accept evolution.....
(June 16, 2018 at 11:52 am)Little Rik Wrote:
(June 16, 2018 at 10:26 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Evidence or GTFO.


I fully understand your point yog.  Indubitably
Unfortunately atheists are left in the mental-spiritual stone age Banging Head On Desk  so they only perceive the physical body and nothing else.
Fortunately these days thanks to the expansion of knowledge you are able to get out the mental sewer  Think and learn how the whole system works.
Just do a little effort and learn.  Smile


https://www.google.com/search?client=fir...V54LVoBQUI

So your answer is, "No, I don't have any evidence."

(June 13, 2018 at 3:49 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Normally, I don't even respond to the posting of google searches as they are essentially a dishonest form of debate, basically the internet version of the Gish gallop in which a person presents a torrent of claims with the implication that if the other person doesn't answer them all, the first person has prevailed. Obviously that's just nonsense.
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#52
RE: Another reason to accept evolution.....
(June 16, 2018 at 4:35 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:
(June 16, 2018 at 11:52 am)Little Rik Wrote: I fully understand your point yog.  Indubitably
Unfortunately atheists are left in the mental-spiritual stone age Banging Head On Desk  so they only perceive the physical body and nothing else.
Fortunately these days thanks to the expansion of knowledge you are able to get out the mental sewer  Think and learn how the whole system works.
Just do a little effort and learn.  Smile


https://www.google.com/search?client=fir...V54LVoBQUI

So your answer is, "No, I don't have any evidence."

(June 13, 2018 at 3:49 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Normally, I don't even respond to the posting of google searches as they are essentially a dishonest form of debate, basically the internet version of the Gish gallop in which a person presents a torrent of claims with the implication that if the other person doesn't answer them all, the first person has prevailed.  Obviously that's just nonsense.



Oh, I see.  Confused Fall
So you ask me for evidence that humans got a mind not just a physical body, are you yog?

Gee, that is something very very difficult to prove especially when we deal with materialistic minded people like you that do not show any intellect.  Jerry

I suppose it will take quite sometime before you realize that you got some brain along with your body.  Lightbulb





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#53
RE: Another reason to accept evolution.....
(June 17, 2018 at 5:00 am)Little Rik Wrote:
(June 16, 2018 at 4:35 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: So your answer is, "No, I don't have any evidence."

Oh, I see.  Confused Fall
So you ask me for evidence that humans got a mind not just a physical body, are you yog?

Gee, that is something very very difficult to prove especially when we deal with materialistic minded people like you that do not show any intellect.  Jerry

I suppose it will take quite sometime before you realize that you got some brain along with your body.  Lightbulb

Last that I recall, the brain is a physical organ residing on this plane of existence. Do you have any evidence which says otherwise?
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#54
RE: Another reason to accept evolution.....
(June 17, 2018 at 7:28 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:
(June 17, 2018 at 5:00 am)Little Rik Wrote: Oh, I see.  Confused Fall
So you ask me for evidence that humans got a mind not just a physical body, are you yog?

Gee, that is something very very difficult to prove especially when we deal with materialistic minded people like you that do not show any intellect.  Jerry

I suppose it will take quite sometime before you realize that you got some brain along with your body.  Lightbulb

Last that I recall, the brain is a physical organ residing on this plane of existence.  Do you have any evidence which says otherwise?


True.
The brain is a physical organ therefore is not the mind but I thought you would have understood that when I question whether you got any brain I thought you would have understood enough mind or even better enough intellect.

It is a way of saying because to say.......you haven't got enough mind doesn't sound correct as an English sentence.
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#55
RE: Another reason to accept evolution.....
Just like the board is a physical structure and therefore is not the computer.   Rolleyes
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#56
RE: Another reason to accept evolution.....
(June 18, 2018 at 5:40 am)Little Rik Wrote:
(June 17, 2018 at 7:28 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Last that I recall, the brain is a physical organ residing on this plane of existence.  Do you have any evidence which says otherwise?


True.
The brain is a physical organ therefore is not the mind but I thought you would have understood that when I question whether you got any brain I thought you would have understood enough mind or even better enough intellect.

It is a way of saying because to say.......you haven't got enough mind doesn't sound correct as an English sentence.
Capisci?   Lightbulb  Smile  Lightbulb

And there I was thinking you might have actually been substantively answering the question.

Silly me. I should have known your post was nothing more than an example of vapid flaming, filled with nothing but trash talk.
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#57
RE: Another reason to accept evolution.....
(June 16, 2018 at 9:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: Sure.
Of course.
Science or better say PHYSICAL SCIENCE always lead to a deeper understanding of the universe.......agree with that.
Unfortunately humans are not only made of matter or physicality right?

In this way if you try to solve human problem through the physical aspect only you will end up going around in circles and getting nowhere.

Just like a donkey that turn around and around and find itself in the same place.

You just don't get it FM, don't you?  Smile

Ah look at LR talking in metaphors, like Jesus. But you obviously ignored the part of my post where I said that there are plenty of people, even now, who are studying the "divine" (like theologians or ufologists) and they are the one running in circles.

Like one of the most famous cases, Thomas Aquinas, and his Summa Theologica where among other magical stuff gets obsessed with angels. Not only did he see them as real but devoted a large section of the Summa Theologica ("Treatise on the Angels") to their existence, number, nature, how they move, what they know, and what they want.
The philosopher Andrew Bernstein describes such theological analysis of arcane and unevidenced claims as “the tragedy of theology in its distilled essence: The employment of high-powered human intellect, of genius, of profoundly rigorous logical deduction--studying nothing."
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/1040277...ed-essence

Now of course science does study the consciousness and the brain. You can look for instance some videos on youtube featuring Oliver Sacks.
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#58
RE: Another reason to accept evolution.....
(June 18, 2018 at 7:42 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:
(June 18, 2018 at 5:40 am)Little Rik Wrote: True.
The brain is a physical organ therefore is not the mind but I thought you would have understood that when I question whether you got any brain I thought you would have understood enough mind or even better enough intellect.

It is a way of saying because to say.......you haven't got enough mind doesn't sound correct as an English sentence.
Capisci?   Lightbulb  Smile  Lightbulb

And there I was thinking you might have actually been substantively answering the question.  

Silly me.  I should have known your post was nothing more than an example of vapid flaming, filled with nothing but trash talk.


Silly me.  I should have known......that you got lost in your mental fantasies once again.  Panic

The question was whether humans are not only made of matter or physicality as I said?
You did asked for evidence, right?

At this stage I did showed you pages and pages of information in which it show that humans got a mind as well, right?

After this you say that these information are all crap right?
Not happy with this now you say that what I say is all crap, right?

Tell me something yog.  I'm all ears!
Are you saying that humans have no mind or what else are you trying to say?  Huh

One tip yog.
Leave those blue mushrooms alone because they are killing your mind.
That very mind that you think it doesn't exist.  Lightbulb

(June 18, 2018 at 8:59 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote:
(June 16, 2018 at 9:57 am)Little Rik Wrote: Sure.
Of course.
Science or better say PHYSICAL SCIENCE always lead to a deeper understanding of the universe.......agree with that.
Unfortunately humans are not only made of matter or physicality right?

In this way if you try to solve human problem through the physical aspect only you will end up going around in circles and getting nowhere.

Just like a donkey that turn around and around and find itself in the same place.

You just don't get it FM, don't you?  Smile

Ah look at LR talking in metaphors, like Jesus. But you obviously ignored the part of my post where I said that there are plenty of people, even now, who are studying the "divine" (like theologians or ufologists) and they are the one running in circles.

Like one of the most famous cases, Thomas Aquinas, and his Summa Theologica where among other magical stuff gets obsessed with angels. Not only did he see them as real but devoted a large section of the Summa Theologica ("Treatise on the Angels") to their existence, number, nature, how they move, what they know, and what they want.
The philosopher Andrew Bernstein describes such theological analysis of arcane and unevidenced claims as “the tragedy of theology in its distilled essence: The employment of high-powered human intellect, of genius, of profoundly rigorous logical deduction--studying nothing."
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/1040277...ed-essence

Now of course science does study the consciousness and the brain. You can look for instance some videos on youtube featuring Oliver Sacks.


Surely there are a lot of people who go around and around in circle and these people are not only theologians or ufoloogists.
Also materialists (atheists included) follow the same useless and pointless path.
Why useless and pointless?

Because they all dream that through the material effort they can get the real McCoy.

The reality is a different story.
The reality demand that only through practice is possible to reach the real McCoy of life but materialists do not know what the practice is all about and theologians too haven't got a clue.
Physical science can well reach the stage in which they will discover how the system works but that will only be pure theory.
Unfortunately for dreamers all that will be futile unless they themselves will turn theory into practice so the goal will still be far far away unless they wake up and grow up.  Lightbulb
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#59
RE: Another reason to accept evolution.....
(June 21, 2018 at 10:47 am)Little Rik Wrote:
(June 18, 2018 at 7:42 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: And there I was thinking you might have actually been substantively answering the question.  

Silly me.  I should have known your post was nothing more than an example of vapid flaming, filled with nothing but trash talk.


Silly me.  I should have known......that you got lost in your mental fantasies once again.  Panic

The question was whether humans are not only made of matter or physicality as I said?
You did asked for evidence, right?

At this stage I did showed you pages and pages of information in which it show that humans got a mind as well, right?

After this you say that these information are all crap right?
Not happy with this now you say that what I say is all crap, right?

Tell me something yog.  I'm all ears!
Are you saying that humans have no mind or what else are you trying to say?  Huh

First of all, you didn't post pages and pages of information that show that humans have minds, you posted a google search, which, in addition to being simply a dishonest debate tactic, wasn't even relevant to the question you say it was, as the search terms you used were, "humans aspect physical mental spiritual," which pulled up all sorts of woo and crap which wasn't even relevant to the question of whether we have a mind or not. So that's a double fail, a moronic google search instead of actual evidence, and even that google search wasn't relevant.

Second, proving that we have mind is irrelevant to the question of whether there is a non-physical aspect to humans unless you can show that mind is necessarily non-physical. Otherwise, showing that we have mind, even with the right search terms, is not evidence that there is a non-physical aspect to humans. That's a non sequitur.

Now, before I leave you to compose your next inane bunch of bullshit, be forewarned that posting "google searches" is not evidence and if you again post a google search in lieu of evidence, I'll simply tell you to shove it up your ass. Google searches are not evidence. Doubly so when you haven't even examined the search results to assure that they're even relevant. So, fuck off with this "pages and pages" nonsense. All you did was try to cheat your way out of actually having to provide evidence.
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#60
RE: Another reason to accept evolution.....
(June 21, 2018 at 4:01 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:
(June 21, 2018 at 10:47 am)Little Rik Wrote: Silly me.  I should have known......that you got lost in your mental fantasies once again.  Panic

The question was whether humans are not only made of matter or physicality as I said?
You did asked for evidence, right?

At this stage I did showed you pages and pages of information in which it show that humans got a mind as well, right?

After this you say that these information are all crap right?
Not happy with this now you say that what I say is all crap, right?

Tell me something yog.  I'm all ears!
Are you saying that humans have no mind or what else are you trying to say?  Huh

First of all, you didn't post pages and pages of information that show that humans have minds, you posted a google search, which, in addition to being simply a dishonest debate tactic, wasn't even relevant to the question you say it was, as the search terms you used were, "humans aspect physical mental spiritual," which pulled up all sorts of woo and crap which wasn't even relevant to the question of whether we have a mind or not.  So that's a double fail, a moronic google search instead of actual evidence, and even that google search wasn't relevant.

Second, proving that we have mind is irrelevant to the question of whether there is a non-physical aspect to humans unless you can show that mind is necessarily non-physical.  Otherwise, showing that we have mind, even with the right search terms, is not evidence that there is a non-physical aspect to humans.  That's a non sequitur.

Now, before I leave you to compose your next inane bunch of bullshit, be forewarned that posting "google searches" is not evidence and if you again post a google search in lieu of evidence, I'll simply tell you to shove it up your ass.  Google searches are not evidence.  Doubly so when you haven't even examined the search results to assure that they're even relevant.  So, fuck off with this "pages and pages" nonsense.  All you did was try to cheat your way out of actually having to provide evidence.



Well, well, well...........

Atheists always glorify science (physical science) as the royal jelly of information but when this science contradict them then this science by a magic touch automatically become non science.

How bizarre yog.
Even the mind that is an abstract entity which is behind touch, smell, sight, taste need to show that is a non physical aspect of humans.
Total madness yog.
You now reach the low of low and you dug so deep in the mental sewer that it will  be very very hard to come out the hole in which you choose to be.

Congratulation yog.




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