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The moral argument, for atheism!
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The moral argument, for atheism!
Major Premise:  If an objective moral lawgiver ("God") exists who is the source of objective morality, then God must be morally good.

Minor Premise:  If a moral, infinite being exists, then such a being has moral obligations, namely, to reveal, unambiguously, objective moral truths to Us, His Creation.

Conclusion:  Since such a clear revelation has never occurred, therefore, god does not exist.
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#2
RE: The moral argument, for atheism!
Wait for...

“Free will”
“Mysterious ways”
“Who are you to question”

In 5...

4...

3...
Sanity adjacent.


Angel





IMGUR 
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RE: The moral argument, for atheism!
(June 29, 2018 at 4:37 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Major Premise:  If an objective moral lawgiver ("God") exists who is the source of objective morality, then God must be morally good.

Minor Premise:  If a moral, infinite being exists, then such a being has moral obligations, namely, to reveal, unambiguously, objective moral truths to Us, His Creation.

Conclusion:  Since such a clear revelation has never occurred, therefore, god does not exist.

I find do not murder to be fairly unambiguous.
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man.  - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire.  - Martin Luther
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RE: The moral argument, for atheism!
There have been plenty of cultures that thought murder was fine, as long as the victims belonged to other tribes.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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RE: The moral argument, for atheism!
(June 29, 2018 at 4:37 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Major Premise:  If an objective moral lawgiver ("God") exists who is the source of objective morality, then God must be morally good.

Minor Premise:  If a moral, infinite being exists, then such a being has moral obligations, namely, to reveal, unambiguously, objective moral truths to Us, His Creation.

Conclusion:  Since such a clear revelation has never occurred, therefore, god does not exist.

Both premises are true.  The problem no matter how clear the clarification, how manifest and good in reasoning God's words, if we are in error, and refuse to acknowledge proofs in that we are in a very bad way of thinking and going about life, then the problem is us.

Somehow some conjecture has spread so far, and mockery playful attitude towards proofs of God's commands and the path he set for humans, has come about, and spread like fire, and it's hard to extinguish.

I can assure you those who are upon proofs and clear insights, are trying to make people perceive, and God has revealed it, it's his proof the Guide of our time, and all holy books all point to the Mastery of the exalted ones who the word of God is with, and the word of God are the exalted ones, chosen to guide us.

Since God is unseen, if we run away from him to the darkness, things get ultra confusing very fact. Conjecture seems true, while the truth becomes diminished and belittled.

God manifest his proof but the dark side tries to make proofs ambiguous and confusing. They wish their leaders have  a say to the moral guidance thereby naming other with the name of God meant for God to chose and manifest and prove the authority of the particular instance of the person he has vested that authority in and made them his name.
"….except those without power/capability - who do not find the means and find no guidance to the way, it maybe God will forgive these, and God is Forgiving, Compassionate." (in 4Th Surah).

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RE: The moral argument, for atheism!
(June 29, 2018 at 4:50 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: There have been plenty of cultures that thought murder was fine, as long as the victims belonged to other tribes.

There are people that think that the Earth is flat as well.   It doesn't effect the objective truth of the matter (which is why it is objective).
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man.  - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire.  - Martin Luther
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RE: The moral argument, for atheism!
(June 29, 2018 at 4:54 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:
(June 29, 2018 at 4:50 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: There have been plenty of cultures that thought murder was fine, as long as the victims belonged to other tribes.

There are people that think that the Earth is flat as well.   It doesn't effect the objective truth of the matter (which is why it is objective).

It does indicate some people didn't get the morally unambiguous memo from the morally perfect and all-powerful being.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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RE: The moral argument, for atheism!
(June 29, 2018 at 4:52 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:
(June 29, 2018 at 4:37 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Major Premise:  If an objective moral lawgiver ("God") exists who is the source of objective morality, then God must be morally good.

Minor Premise:  If a moral, infinite being exists, then such a being has moral obligations, namely, to reveal, unambiguously, objective moral truths to Us, His Creation.

Conclusion:  Since such a clear revelation has never occurred, therefore, god does not exist.

Both premises are true.  The problem no matter how clear the clarification, how manifest and good in reasoning God's words, if we are in error, and refuse to acknowledge proofs in that we are in a very bad way of thinking and going about life, then the problem is us.

Somehow some conjecture has spread so far, and mockery playful attitude towards proofs of God's commands and the path he set for humans, has come about, and spread like fire, and it's hard to extinguish.

I can assure you those who are upon proofs and clear insights, are trying to make people perceive, and God has revealed it, it's his proof the Guide of our time, and all holy books all point to the Mastery of the exalted ones who the word of God is with, and the word of God are the exalted ones, chosen to guide us.

Since God is unseen, if we run away from him to the darkness, things get ultra confusing very fact. Conjecture seems true, while the truth becomes diminished and belittled.

God manifest his proof but the dark side tries to make proofs ambiguous and confusing. They wish their leaders have  a say to the moral guidance thereby naming other with the name of God meant for God to chose and manifest and prove the authority of the particular instance of the person he has vested that authority in and made them his name.

That and $6 will get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks. The rest of us see it as the dishonest apologetic twaddle of a lunatic.
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RE: The moral argument, for atheism!
Or they rebelled despite God sending Messengers who were brought out the unseen of God's Name to the outward, in all stages, and spread the clear message, and connected it to the highest subtle truths so they may know they delivered God's message.
"….except those without power/capability - who do not find the means and find no guidance to the way, it maybe God will forgive these, and God is Forgiving, Compassionate." (in 4Th Surah).

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RE: The moral argument, for atheism!
(June 29, 2018 at 4:44 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Wait for...

“Free will”
“Mysterious ways”
“Who are you to question”

In 5...

4...

3...

You forgot, “he is telling you; you just aren’t listening right!”
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”

Wiser words were never spoken. 
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