More thoughts about Immaculate Conception

[Fake Messiah]

Actually, I know I'm right. 

Technically, I'm still a Catholic, as I haven't been excommunicated (not for lack of trying, though).

Boru

I didn't know that either (ex-Protestant here if that makes a difference)... didn't know there was supposed to be anything special about Mary. Are you saying she was claimed to be born of a virgin as well as Jesus? Or am I completely misunderstanding your meaning here?

As to the other, have you tried swivelling your head around?

Yeah there are actually a lot of legends and some of them are in the books that didn't make it into the Bible, like the life of Mary. She was born of a virgin and lived in a church/ synagogue and prayed her whole life until her dad found her a suitor - Joseph.

There is also a story about Jesus's cross that it was made of wood that was from the Tree of Knowledge whose branch Adam took with him when he left the Garden. Then the wood was used by Moses to put a brass snake on it. Then wood was used in Jerusalem where it was a bridge over the stream and Queen of Sheba knelt over it because she had a vision what it will be used for. etc.

Also there are stories about Jesus' childhood. Like that he played with Judas and they were making birds out of clay which Judas started squashing so Jesus made them alive so they could run away. And this is something I don't get because later on Selma Lagerlof wrote the same story and won a Nobel for it.

[Chad32]

I'm sure that the story about Judas breaking the clay birds would be portrayed as foreshadowing evil, even though it's a typical thing kids do. poor dude gets the shaft for doing a thing we're all supposed to be happy about.

[emjay]

I didn't know that either (ex-Protestant here if that makes a difference)... didn't know there was supposed to be anything special about Mary. Are you saying she was claimed to be born of a virgin as well as Jesus? Or am I completely misunderstanding your meaning here?

As to the other, have you tried swivelling your head around?

Yeah there are actually a lot of legends and some of them are in the books that didn't make it into the Bible, like the life of Mary. She was born of a virgin and lived in a church/ synagogue and prayed her whole life until her dad found her a suitor - Joseph.

There is also a story about Jesus's cross that it was made of wood that was from the Tree of Knowledge whose branch Adam took with him when he left the Garden. Then the wood was used by Moses to put a brass snake on it. Then wood was used in Jerusalem where it was a bridge over the stream and Queen of Sheba knelt over it because she had a vision what it will be used for. etc.

Also there are stories about Jesus' childhood. Like that he played with Judas and they were making birds out of clay which Judas started squashing so Jesus made them alive so they could run away. And this is something I don't get because later on Selma Lagerlof wrote the same story and won a Nobel for it.

Right, well I never knew any of that, but to be fair I haven't read the whole Bible, so it might not necessarily be because it's in one of these extraneous sources.

[Pat Mustard]

<darkest void sucking thought into it's eldritch depths>

You do realise that the whole "virgin birth" is a mistranslation used to try and shoehorn Jebus into a "prophesy" which according to the old testament was fulfilled 700 years previously (citation read Isiah chapter 7).

[Fake Messiah]

Yeah there are actually a lot of legends and some of them are in the books that didn't make it into the Bible, like the life of Mary. She was born of a virgin and lived in a church/ synagogue and prayed her whole life until her dad found her a suitor - Joseph.

There is also a story about Jesus's cross that it was made of wood that was from the Tree of Knowledge whose branch Adam took with him when he left the Garden. Then the wood was used by Moses to put a brass snake on it. Then wood was used in Jerusalem where it was a bridge over the stream and Queen of Sheba knelt over it because she had a vision what it will be used for. etc.

Also there are stories about Jesus' childhood. Like that he played with Judas and they were making birds out of clay which Judas started squashing so Jesus made them alive so they could run away. And this is something I don't get because later on Selma Lagerlof wrote the same story and won a Nobel for it.

Right, well I never knew any of that, but to be fair I haven't read the whole Bible, so it might not necessarily be because it's in one of these extraneous sources.

Well it's not all about the reading. Like the story of the cross is part of one of the most famous paintings in the Renaissance by Piero della Francesca.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Actually, I know I'm right. 

Technically, I'm still a Catholic, as I haven't been excommunicated (not for lack of trying, though).

Boru

I didn't know that either (ex-Protestant here if that makes a difference)... didn't know there was supposed to be anything special about Mary. Are you saying she was claimed to be born of a virgin as well as Jesus? Or am I completely misunderstanding your meaning here?

As to the other, have you tried swivelling your head around?

The dogmatic reasoning runs thus:

1.  Since Eve tempted Adam and the latter succumbed to the temptation, all human beings are born with the taint [stop giggling] of original sin.

2.  Jesus, as the Son of Man and coeval with God the Father, has to necessarily be free of sin.

3.  In order for Jesus to be free of sin, Mary had to be free of sin also, as the Vessel of The Saviour.

4.  Since God knows all things, he knew Mary was destined to be the mother of Jesus and pre-redeemed her prior to the visit from the Holy Ghost (in other words, God eliminated in her all trace of sin, including original sin).

I didn't spend those 12 horrifying years in Catholic school for nothing, you know.

This is what is known as 'Catholic Logic'.  Feel free to laugh until your gums bleed.

I'm afraid that swiveling my head round would get me exorcised, not excommunicated. 

Boru

[Minimalist]

It's kind of funny that she's a saint to the catholics,

The catholicks have some real scumbags as "saints."

[Graufreud]

A question to Boru as an apostate catholic.... I read that "Catholic priests have been given the power to forgive sins, acting as representatives of the Holy Spirit."

If a priest is a child rapist/molester, does he retain the power to forgive sins or that power is taken back?
What did they say about this in Catholic school?

[Minimalist]

If a priest is a child rapist/molester, does he retain the power to forgive sins or that power is taken back?

It seems to me that it gets them a promotion.

[The Valkyrie]

Mythology that some hold as factual.

Has no more merit than Set killing Osiris.