Norway is not a democratic socialist country. Bernie is lying

[KaiBerg02]

Have no problem with liberals neither conservatives. Like i guess it depends on issues. But its more about facts, in this case i feel Scandinavia gets really misrepresented in US populism with 2016, the ignorance of how our political systems works etc

Don't point fingers too much. You guys still have a sacred  king, right?

Well i like the king. Its kind of a nice tradition. But the only power the guy has is to say no to some laws i think. But outside that the king has no authority here. I mean it beats celebrity culture of divas. May be just me but i take the king over that. Although some argue that tax payers are not worth monarchy but i really dont mind though. I mean i like it.

[brewer]

Don't point fingers too much. You guys still have a sacred  king, right?

Well i like the king. Its kind of a nice tradition. But the only power the guy has is to say no to some laws i think. But outside that the king has no authority here. I mean it beats celebrity culture of divas. May be just me but i take the king over that. Although some argue that tax payers are not worth monarchy but i really dont mind though. I mean i like it.

That's not what wiki says: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_o...icial_role

[KaiBerg02]

Well i like the king. Its kind of a nice tradition. But the only power the guy has is to say no to some laws i think. But outside that the king has no authority here. I mean it beats celebrity culture of divas. May be just me but i take the king over that. Although some argue that tax payers are not worth monarchy but i really dont mind though. I mean i like it.

That's not what wiki says: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_o...icial_role

Well its only what i have heard where i live atleast. If i am wrong then i guess i am wrong hehe. Edit: But considering it is english wikipedia, it wouldn't surprise me with some misinformation but looking at some of it it seems legit i guess. The question is if they have the right context or not

My favorite american of all time is Bill Burr though, i love that guy.

[I_am_not_mafia]

Political labels change over time, and also between countries which each implement their own version of it. For example fascism in Germany was different to fascism in Italy which invented the original form of fascism. Communism was very different in the Soviet Union compared to China. American conservatives are a very different bunch to those of Reagan and Bush Senior who are indistinguishable from liberals of today. Same goes for socialism.

Political labels have to change because the world changes.

[KaiBerg02]

Political labels change over time, and also between countries which each implement their own version of it. For example fascism in Germany was different to fascism in Italy which invented the original form of fascism. Communism was very different in the Soviet Union compared to China. American conservatives are a very different bunch to those of Reagan and Bush Senior who are indistinguishable from liberals of today. Same goes for socialism.

Political labels have to change because the world changes.

But we know socialism and fascism are both evil. I guess its more of a personal grudge for using it as positive. England for example have free speech issues, thats the reality denial that socialism is for when it goes by neo marxist logic of what is ok to say or not in terms of minorities living there, so if i am brown i can kill and murder people or use other methods like extreme political views without being called on it. And it will be the oppressors the one living there at fault for the problems.

Fascism is bad because it is essentially a cold evil system of not taking care of the weak in society.

Its not like any of them are good. Just like calling neo nazism to neo nicism. Doesnt really work.

[Brian37]

Ok first of all. Its called Social Democracy, there's a difference.

To sum it up. Social democracy is capitalism with social programs like welfare, health care. Capitalism is the main economic model, get it?

If you go with what Bernie wants, it would be more on the level of Venezuela. Meaning democratic socialism means using democracy to vote in socialism, thats it. And yes, norway is just as much socialist country as Japan is, meaning we arent. "atleast mainframe society model is not".

So i am kinda tired of this lie that we are socialist. Socialism is just as bad as fascism. Socialists are reality deniers, fascists are against the weak, they should both go out in the woods and just kiss and stay there. Problem solved. Either case liberals and conservatives are cool though

Like its also problem if you live in fantasy land to if you can or cannot do it. Norway it is possible due to how little we are also to how much immigrants we can manage and yeah. With USA i guess its a bigger population so i dont know how much of a challenge its gonna be with a safety net there.

But let me tell you this. If you truly vote communism or socialism, well prepare for the bolsheviks and drying up the economy. I mean if you think USA is bad now "I mean i dont think its terrible, think its hammed up in media and angsty people who lacks safety net" but in either case if you think its bad now, just wait til it goes all red.

Edit: One more thing. If its just a label error. Well fix it, if it was me i would not trust a guy who uses wrong label. I mean he may really be disingenous and just using countries that can sell his fantasy to vote. If he doesnt fixes this problem and if it was me i would honestly not vote for it, because if he really is gonna turn USA all red, well yeah. He may be a manipulative liar. I mean some can argue its US politician type of game where people vote on how nice cover is and not so much what is inside it. Well either way if it was me i would not do it. Sounds like a trap to me

"Capitalism" IS NOT a form of government.

China allows the private sector, all anyone has to do is shop at a local Wal Mart and look at the "made in" on the majority of the products sold. The Saudi Royal family are RICH, and own oil companies and banks and invest in the global weapons industry. Fidel Castro had an estimated personal wealth of $800million. Gadaffi was a billionaire who owned stock in General Electric.

The is not one country, friend or foe alike, that does not invest in the global market.



Our GOP masturbates over the prospect of making our economy like China's. No workers rights based on a slave wage economy. Nobody on the left wants us to become Venezuela. That country is a failure, not because of any American liberal ideas, it is a failure because of CORRUPTION.

The GOP screwed our country and started our decline with Reagan's failed Trickle down "don't tax the rich" bullshit. The took us away from the post WW2 policies that invested in and built our middle class. The GOP has borrowed and borrowed to fund billionaire tax breaks that only create short term artificial gains that always end up in a future bubble. 

LONG TERM it is unsustainable to add to the long term debt created by tax breaks for billionaires. None of what I just said is advocating for Stalin's communism nor Castro's Cuba. But I am getting fucking sick of the false slur that workers do not have enough of a voice in congress that somehow that means we want a dictatorship and no private sector. 

Bernie nor most liberals for that matter, DO NOT WANT a nanny state. We do want livable wages for workers and affordable health care and cheaper higher education. You DO NOT create independence and get more off the government dime if all you do is explode the pay gap. You create more independence by creating social stability so that people can do things on their own.

Libertarians and the GOP only care about 1 class, the billionaire class and that is the only class they serve.

[The Industrial Atheist]

Yeah it's a misnomer. We're kind of messed up in the US. A lot of people here don't even know the difference between Socialism and Communism.

What you're not getting is that Bernie himself is actually really a Social Democrat. I'm not sure you've heard much of what he has to say on the real relevant issues on the topic.

He has made it very easy for the right to strawman him. It was a bad move to call himself a Democratic Socialist.

Much of the DSA are actually Social Democrats. I don't think any country is really Socialist if you really examine things.

I will gladly support politicians like Bernie and Occasio Cortez, because they are right on the issues.

Very few in the US are actually post-Capitalist.

[Brian37]

Yeah it's a misnomer. We're kind of messed up in the US. A lot of people here don't even know the difference between Socialism and Communism.

What you're not getting is that Bernie himself is actually really a Social Democrat. I'm not sure you've heard much of what he has to say on the real relevant issues on the topic.

He has made it very easy for the right to strawman him. It was a bad move to call himself a Democratic Socialist.

Much of the DSA are actually Social Democrats. I don't think any country is really Socialist if you really examine things.

I will gladly support politicians like Bernie and Occasion Cortez, because they are right on the issues.

Very few in the US are actually post-Capitalist.

The word "social" has been vilified for decades as a result of the "Red Scare" because of the cold war with the Soviet Union.

If you look at post WW2 tax codes and the amount of investment between 46 and 1980 you had far more worker unions, higher taxes, cheaper education and an lower gap between the top and bottom.

[I_am_not_mafia]

But we know socialism and fascism are both evil.

Socialism is not evil.

[Brian37]

But we know socialism and fascism are both evil.

Socialism is not evil.

Dictatorships are evil, but "socializing" is what every government does. Every government collects taxes to pay their military, their police and education systems, for good or bad. 

America also collects taxes to pay for our military, our police, our education system. We also have other social programs like "SOCIAL SECURITY" and Medicare, and the morons on the right love gutting funding for everything but if you touch social security or medicare even they flip out, but then stupidly keep voting for the party that wants to gut social security and medicare to pay for billionaire tax breaks.