Norway is not a democratic socialist country. Bernie is lying

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My favorite american of all time is Bill Burr though, i love that guy.

You don't know it yet but I'll soon be your favorite.

[KaiBerg02]

I mean just for reference i guess

[GODZILLA]

Bernie is a good person overall and is sincere. But his policies aren't set in reality. Nor is that chick from New York. (Yes, I know I just triggered 90% of the users here just by saying that) but the nations that use what he is proposing usually aren't saddled with the same issues we have in the U.S.

I.e. large population, abuse of our social programs and so on. Also, lets not forget these nordic countries don't have to worry about paying for their own defense. It's usually footed by NATO and the United States.

[I_am_not_mafia]

[Lucanus]

Socialism is just as bad as fascism.

Someone's been eating from the trashcan I see...

[The Industrial Atheist]

Bernie is a good person overall and is sincere. But his policies aren't set in reality. Nor is that chick from New York. (Yes, I know I just triggered 90% of the users here just by saying that) but the nations that use what he is proposing usually aren't saddled with the same issues we have in the U.S.

I.e. large population, abuse of our social programs and so on. Also, lets not forget these nordic countries don't have to worry about paying for their own defense. It's usually footed by NATO and the United States.

You haven't triggered me, but did you know our latest increase in defense spending, not the whole budget, just the increase, would pay for free college.

[KaiBerg02]

[KaiBerg02]

So because exploitation exists within capitalistic model you are saying go red and let everybody starve?. Not really seeing how that utopia is gonna look like or how productive its gonna be. How about just call out the corrupt institutions and make other countries productive.

[GODZILLA]

Bernie is a good person overall and is sincere. But his policies aren't set in reality. Nor is that chick from New York. (Yes, I know I just triggered 90% of the users here just by saying that) but the nations that use what he is proposing usually aren't saddled with the same issues we have in the U.S.

I.e. large population, abuse of our social programs and so on. Also, lets not forget these nordic countries don't have to worry about paying for their own defense. It's usually footed by NATO and the United States.

You haven't triggered me, but did you know our latest increase in defense spending, not the whole budget, just the increase, would pay for free college.

That's a fair argument. I can agree that our defense spending is quite large and in fact unnecessary. Seems that could like you said pay for some of these things. The money is obviously there, it just seems to be wasted and misused. Growing up, my folks taught me how to keep a budget and stick to one. Amazes me how the U.S. government has yet to figure this out. I understand there's a lot of moving parts, but still. BUDGET. PROPERLY.

[I_am_not_mafia]

So because exploitation exists within capitalistic model you are saying go red and let everybody starve?. Not really seeing how that utopia is gonna look like or how productive its gonna be. How about just call out the corrupt institutions and make other countries productive.

No. I am saying that there are many aspects of reality that are denied by capitalism and also refuting your assertion that it is good for everybody. It inherently is not good for everyone by design. Capitalism cannot function without there being losers who get exploited and discarded.

What I am saying is that due to the challenges the human race now face, it is entirely fucked if it relies on capitalism. We need a collective response to overcome what we are facing, and even then we might very well not manage it.

Add to that increased automation, there is even more need now for the means of production to be taken out of the hands of a few individuals.

Not really seeing how that utopia is gonna look like or how productive its gonna be. How about just call out the corrupt institutions and make other countries productive.

Did you even read what I posted or understand it? Who is talking about a utopia? Who is talking about corruption? Not me.  Stop making a strawman argument.

It is not as simple as saying we can just make other countries more productive. In terms of the long emergency this actually just makes the problem worse.

Society is dependent on finite resources that are fast running out.

By the way, you still haven't provided an example of a socialist country that is not communist.