What do christians have against gay people

[OnlyNatural]

I would argue that in nature quite regularly the normal behavior of animals is males and females are attracted to each other. I would argue the number of 'heterosexual' animals far outweighs the number of 'homosexual' animals therefore supporting the idea hetrosexuality, the desire to mate with a member of the opposite sex, is normal behavior.

You're right, in that sense heterosexuality is the norm. I meant that it is not unnatural, and not rare. 'Abnormal' can also have a negative connotation, and I don't think there's anything innately negative about homosexuality, even though it is not the norm.

Morality is subjective. My subjective morality, which is no more or less valid than yours, says it is immoral.

I agree that each person's morality is subjective, though the suffering and well-being of humans is undeniably important in moral issues. I would be interested to know why you think homosexuality is immoral.

Anti-life? I don't believe the boy even knew what he meant by that. I just can't equate 'not breeding' with 'anti-life'.

If you're referring to me, I'm not a boy. And I didn't equate anti-life just with not-breeding, though that seems to be part of their (Catholics') concern. I mentioned other examples, which are of course not exhaustive.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

If you're referring to me, I'm not a boy

A girl?

In Australia any male under 40 is a boy. It is at that age men here begin to grow up,if they're ever going to. Most don't bother, I never have.

[mamamia88]

They are afraid of what I don't know.

[OnlyNatural]

A girl?

Yes, I'm a girl/female/woman, etc.

[Edwardo Piet]

"Abnormal" is an appropriate discriptor.

It depends whether you mean "abnormal" merely to mean "less usual" or whether you also mean "abnormal" in the sense of "weird". Weirdness is subjective, unusualness isn't.

Morality is subjective. My subjective morality, which is no more or less valid than yours, says it is immoral.

Since morality is subjective, that means that "morality" is identical to mere preferences of individuals, and since "mere preferences of individuals" is far from the definition of "morality", doesn't that suggest that subjective morality is identical to non-existent morality?

(In which case, I'm not talking about the alternative being immorality here (immorality implies the existence of morality) - I'm talking about the alternative being amorality).

I am anti-anti-homosexuality as I am anti-any-form-of-prejudice. This isn't a prejudice of mine, since nothing is prejudiced about being against prejudice.

Sometimes intolerance should be tolerated and other times it shouldn't, it depends on the degree of the intolerance and whether it's actually doing any harm. It also depends on the type of intolerance because there are actually two types of intolerance: there is 1. Resistant or active intolerance - and - 2. Avoidant or inactive intolerance. The former usually being a lot more potentially damaging than the latter. The latter often being quite harmless or completely harmless and able to tolerate.

[Dotard]

If you're referring to me, I'm not a boy. And I didn't equate anti-life just with not-breeding, though that seems to be part of their (Catholics') concern. I mentioned other examples, which are of course not exhaustive.

Was refering to that catholic writer, not you. Sorry if I can across otherwise.


Why do I believe homosexuality immoral? Because it violates my moral principles. It does not conform to the patterns of conduct usually accepted (read: normally accepted. read: normal behavior) or established as consistent with principles of my personal ethics.

Argueing homosexuality is 'natural' doesn't really help your case as cancer, schizophrenia, sickle-cell, MS, etc. etc. are all 'natural' also.

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It depends whether you mean "abnormal" merely to mean "less usual" or whether you also mean "abnormal" in the sense of "weird". Weirdness is subjective, unusualness isn't.

How about 'unusual'. Good enough?

Since morality is subjective, that means that "morality" is identical to mere preferences of individuals, and since "mere preferences of individuals" is far from the definition of "morality", doesn't that suggest that subjective morality is identical to non-existent morality?
(In which case, I'm not talking about the alternative being immorality here (immorality implies the existence of morality) - I'm talking about the alternative being amorality).

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I broke the forums. sorry! Can someone fix it?

[Edwardo Piet]

How about 'unusual'. Good enough?

Yeah unusual is fine since it merely means "not usual". Although technically "less usual" is probably more accurate.

Furthermore....errr........what's with the rabbit with the pancake on its head?

[OnlyNatural]

Argueing homosexuality is 'natural' doesn't really help your case as cancer, schizophrenia, sickle-cell, MS, etc. etc. are all 'natural' also.

Yes, those illnesses are also examples of things that occur naturally in humans. I would not consider homosexuality equivalent to a disease, however. Diseases cause significant harm and suffering, and even death, for the individuals who have them. Being gay causes no such thing, if you exclude suffering due to bullying and prejudice that comes from outside the person.

Sickle cell anemia is an interesting case... in the homozygote it's extremely likely to cause death, but in the heterozygote it actually provides immunity to malaria, quite the benefit in some parts of the world.

Nevertheless, homosexuality is not a disease. I suppose you could argue that it's a mental illness, but as a society we've already been down that road, and found it to be untrue.

[Edwardo Piet]

I doubt that Dotard can truly explain - or even seriously claims to have - the rationale behind his intuitive knee-jerk aversion to homosexuality. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

[Skipper]

Comparing homosexuality to cancer are we?. wow. It's telling that when presented with the argument homosexuality is natural you use the counterpoint that cancer is natural too, plenty of positive things are natural as well but you automatically compare it to negative illness's like cancer, MS and schizophrenia that can kill people and destroy lives. I forgot how absurd your views are when it comes to sexuality Dotard. Thanks for the laughs.