Saudi journalist killed and hacked inside Saudi embassy in Istanbul

[The Grand Nudger]

They were already exposed as human rights abusers, Atlass.

[WinterHold]

This crime must not be forgotten.
How many did the Sauds kill before this case exposed them?



Don't forget this case. Don't forget Jamal and the thousands suffering in the kingdom.

The question still stands: how many did they kill and hack before him?

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They were already exposed as human rights abusers, Atlass.

but relations between them and the whole world went on like butter; for decades.

[The Grand Nudger]

Not really, place still sucks and every official body calls it a shithole every year in every report.  Necessary relations continued along apace, sure..there's a limit to how far and how often we'll meddle.

Sort of like how I don't like how my neighbor runs his chicken operation..but I still buy products from him that I need, that he sells, cheap. I suppose I could invade my neighbor and install a puppet even more closely aligned with my own homegrown regime...but, you know, that's over the line (until I find pretext or he misses paying a billl, obvs).

[WinterHold]

Not really, place still sucks and every official body calls it a shithole every year in every report.  Necessary relations continued along apace, sure..there's a limit to how far and how often we'll meddle.

Sort of like how I don't like how my neighbor runs his chicken operation..but I still buy products from him that I need, that he sells, cheap.  I suppose I could invade my neighbor and install a puppet even more closely aligned with my own homegrown regime...but, you know, that's over the line (until I find pretext or he misses paying a billl, obvs).

Really; if the world wanted that regime gone, it will be gone in no time. The Sauds have no deep roots in the Arabian Peninsula -they actually have no roots at all- so they have no tribal backbone, also they have no Islamic backbone -no Muslims care about them personally; Muslims care about Mecca-.

They are only alive and well by the support they get mainly from foreign regimes -especially western regimes-.


They are puppets with no backbone, neither tribal nor religious, and indeed without a humane/correctional vision.

In conclusion: the days of defending this regime are gone. They were exposed, and all the regimes that kept watching their crimes silently in the previous years were exposed with them.

[The Grand Nudger]

Not really, place still sucks and every official body calls it a shithole every year in every report.  Necessary relations continued along apace, sure..there's a limit to how far and how often we'll meddle.

Sort of like how I don't like how my neighbor runs his chicken operation..but I still buy products from him that I need, that he sells, cheap.  I suppose I could invade my neighbor and install a puppet even more closely aligned with my own homegrown regime...but, you know, that's over the line (until I find pretext or he misses paying a billl, obvs).

Really; if the world wanted that regime gone, it will be gone in no time. The Sauds have no deep roots in the Arabian Peninsula -they actually have no roots at all- so they have no tribal backbone, also they have no Islamic backbone -no Muslims care about them personally; Muslims care about Mecca-.

What are you talking about?   Who told you this stuff up above?  The house of saud existed before the united states did......and the current rulers are all decendants of a man who retook his families ancestral city with the support of a popular islamic uprising?

They are only alive and well by the support they get mainly from foreign regimes -especially western regimes-.

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They are puppets with no backbone, neither tribal nor religious, and indeed without a humane/correctional vision.

In conclusion: the days of defending this regime are gone. They were exposed, and all the regimes that kept watching their crimes silently in the previous years were exposed with them.

I think that you're getting bad information from your imam.

[WinterHold]

Really; if the world wanted that regime gone, it will be gone in no time. The Sauds have no deep roots in the Arabian Peninsula -they actually have no roots at all- so they have no tribal backbone, also they have no Islamic backbone -no Muslims care about them personally; Muslims care about Mecca-.

What are you talking about?   Who told you this stuff up above?  The house of saud existed before the united states did......and the current rulers are all decendants of a man who retook his families ancestral city with the support of a popular islamic uprising?

I'm talking about the Sauds; a family that was known to exist in Arabia as from 1750:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Saud
Before that date nobody even knew who the Sauds were, or who their clan came from.
They never won but after making their first alliance with the founder of Wahhabism; Mohammed Ibn Abdul-Wahhab:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_i..._al-Wahhab
This is a very "new" clan that doesn't compare in age to ancient tribes on the Arabian Peninsula; ancient tribes that some of them even witnessed prophet Mohammed himself, tribes like:
الغامدي
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghamd
اليامي
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Yam
العسيري
https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%82%D8%...9%8A%D8%B1
(No English copy)
These tribes -and so many others- are the backbone of Arabia; they existed for a 1000 years or maybe even more, what the hell is 300 years compared to 1400 years?
How does the Saud gets to hold the most important parts of the peninsula ?

[The Grand Nudger]

1750...every day of which they've been fighting for control with the help of popular support and a wahhabist tradition.....when they fail (and they have..)bedouins give them cover and comfort as they plan their next raid or coup....and you actually decide to say "no deep roots" ..? They're firmly entrenched..lol..this is the third saudi state. It's actually this ability to both maintain and retake control that was seen to be valuable by western powers...specifically with all that sweet black gold ibn found.

How does the Saud gets to hold the most important parts of the peninsula ?

They were more competent warlords than the others. That's how this sort of shit -always- gets decided...everywhere, in situations like these. That's also, conveniently, how islam was decided. Ask the twelvers.

[WinterHold]

The hero -Jamal- was decedent from an immigrant family that got the Saudi nationality. When they butchered him, the Turkish reports say that they threw "tribal insulting slurs at him", rumors say.

In Saudi Arabia, race and tribal affiliation are used heavily in insulting others.

[The Grand Nudger]

Surprise surprise, known human rights abusers are also their own funtimes version of the kkk.

[WinterHold]

Saudi Arabia asked the world to forget Khashoggi at Davos. It’s working.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/201...150b114a19