Jesus was born, um, somewhere around this time

[Minimalist]

Herod Antipas did authority over the Galilee and Perea even despite being limited as a client king, that would assume John the Baptist came from either one of those areas.

J the B was associated with Bethany...which is in Judaea.



Frankly, the whole thing sounds like bullshit.

[GANIMEDE]

It is common for contemorary teachers to critisize the Roman emperors and later Christian kings in Europe for claiming to be "Devinely Appointed" or claiming semi-sacred status as is attributed to the Pope. (The Pope is officially the "Viceroy of Christ"). Yet this is exactly what the wandering preacher named "Jesus of Nazareth", (among others), was accused of, tried for and executed for according to the laws of the time!

It seems every crowd has its idols which are atributed with "Devine Status". And each group accuses the other of worshipping the wrong God! What hypocracy!

[Godscreated]

The Jesus Timeline (posted in the general religion section because Muslims have to account for it, too)

Jesus was born during the reign of Herod the Great

Matthew
2:1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

Herod the Great died in 4 BCE, so Jesus would have to have been born before then.

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Jesus was also born during the administration of Gov Quirinius of Syra

Luke 2:2 (And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.)
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2:5 To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.

Quirinius wasn't governor of Syria until 6 CE, so Jesus was born after that year.

So Jesus was born before 4 BCE and after 6 CE at the same time. Now that is a miracle.

Jesus started his ministry after his baptism by John the Baptist. JtB didn't start his ministry until 29 CE, during the 15th year of Tiberius.

Luke 3:1 Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judaea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of Ituraea and of the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias the tetrarch of Abilene,
3:2 Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness.

So Jesus didn't start his ministry until after 29 CE. Actually, JtB needed to start his ministry, become so renown as to be called the second coming of Elijah, p.o. Herod Antipas, get arrested, get thrown in prison, executed and then Jesus started his ministry. That would be a lot to happen in just one year.

Jesus was about 30 at his baptism

Luke 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age,

So Matt's Jesus who was born circa 5 BCE (Herod died in April of 4 BCE) would have been "about 30" around 26 CE, three years before JtB even started his ministry, never mind all the other events. This is such a stretch that some apologists try to argue that "about 30" could mean 37 years old.

Additionally, Judea was a client state of Rome under the reign of King Herod the Great, so Luke's tax census wouldn't have happened even if we could somehow grant Quirinius an earlier governorship of Syria (an ad hoc that apologists often appeal to despite that we know where Quirinius was at the time and it wasn't Syria).

Luke's Jesus seems a little more plausible. The age of 30 fits with a birthday around 6 CE and it also fits with events of the arrest and execution of JtB, which based on Josephus' writings, would have been around the mid 30s CE. Where we run into problems is with the ministry and execution of Jesus.

Pontius Pilate, governor of Judea, was called back to Rome in 36 CE. This means the latest that Jesus could have been crucified would have been on Easter of that year. This would have only given him months, not years, to conduct his ministry.

The Gospel of John articulates that there were three Passovers over the course of Jesus' ministry and therefore 2-3 years. One needs a big shoe-horn to squeeze that in the months Luke's Jesus would have had.

John 2:13 And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
6:4 And the passover, a feast of the Jews, was nigh.
13:1 Now before the feast of the passover...

The devil's in the details, they say.

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Jesus was conceived in 3BC and Herod the Great died in 1BC according to all the manuscripts written before 1500AD. After this date there seems to be an error in copying to have given the 4BC date. The closer to the event the more reliable the data.

[Minimalist]

And what "manuscripts" would those be? The Xtian Apologists' Horseshit Encyclopedia?


When reality hurts, you make up your own.


BTW, it still doesn't help you. P. Sulpicius Quirinius did not become governor of Syria until 6 AD.

[HeyItsZeus]

Now, now, People. Faith > Actual Facts.

[Godscreated]

And what "manuscripts" would those be? The Xtian Apologists' Horseshit Encyclopedia?


When reality hurts, you make up your own.


BTW, it still doesn't help you. P. Sulpicius Quirinius did not become governor of Syria until 6 AD.

You think I'm making this up "professor history" then prove me wrong or are you afraid because you might actually discover a truth outside of your atheist notional. There are some thoughts about Quirinius but as far as I know at this time nothing is yet resolved.

[theVOID]

Can you reference any of them for us? If you can't do that then there is nothing at all we can use to distinguish the possibility of you making it up from the truth.

[Godscreated]

Jesus was born in June of 2BC, in that month of that year Jupiter "the king planet" and Venus "the mother planet" came into alignment and formed the brightest star ie. light in the heavens that has ever been seen. When the Magi came to Herod they said they had seen His sign in the heavens and this is what started them on their journey. The star that anounced the birth of Jesus was not a comet,meteor,bright shining angel or a special star created for the event. The God who created the heavens and knew the exact movements of His creation had His timing down perfect, just as I stated in the omniscience and perfection post. This month and year given here was also mathematically arrived at and you can go to home.comcast.net/~murrellg/Herod.htm and find how this was done.

[Minimalist]

Jesus wasn't born at all.

Just xtian silliness.

[KichigaiNeko]

http://www.pmcbag.com/

http://www.123people.com/s/murrell+selden

This is all I could find on your 'authority'...Is there somewhere else I should look??

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Interesting ...written in 1993.