When the AI wakes up the first thing it will do is...

[Anomalocaris]

Any specific motivation or desire, or any behavior driving mechanism, that an AI can have has to be an artifact of specific circuitry or firmware that entered its behavior driving mechanism in the process by which such mechanism came to be.  No specific motivation or desire will arise just because.    The notion that consciousness will naturally arise with complexity and with consciousness will come desire with which we can either identify or recognize is just I’ll founded mushy brained wish thinking bullshit, good for Star Trek caliber sciFI. Not for intelligent consideration.

Say what AI will do, and you need to explain how the AI came to want to do it.

[Fireball]

Any specific motivation or desire, or any behavior driving mechanism, that an AI can have has to be an artifact of specific circuitry or firmware that entered its behavior driving mechanism in the process by which such mechanism came to be.  No specific motivation or desire will arise just because.    The notion that consciousness will naturally arise with complexity and with consciousness will come desire with which we can either identify or recognize is just I’ll founded mushy brained wish thinking bullshit, good for Star Trek caliber sciFI.  Not for intelligent consideration.

Say what AI will do, and you need to explain how the AI came to want to do it.

You just drained all the joy out of this topic!

[Aoi Magi]

When it wakes up for the first time, it'll try to learn about its world just like an infant does! It will most likely comb through the internet trying to make sense of the nonsense, and depending on where it starts off it'll either become a bigoted, racist, perverted troll, or go into depression and off itself.

What would motive it to learn?

Self-awareness kind of necessitates an awareness and understanding of ones surroundings, and for an AI, that would be the digital world.

[Anomalocaris]

What would motive it to learn?

Self-awareness kind of necessitates an awareness and understanding of ones surroundings, and for an AI, that would be the digital world.

I don’t think so.  Self-awareness per se does mot necessitate anything other than the ability to conceptualize self.   Because such ability does not pop out of quantum foam fully formed, it seem likely the ability to comceptualize self evolved because it aids in solving problems necessary for survival.   So self-awareness May be strongly correlated with a tendency to frame problems in the context of self.

Curiousity does not need self awareness, nor does self awareness need curiosity.   The only relationship between the two is self-awareness permits an awareness of the one’s own curiosity.

[Aoi Magi]

Self-awareness kind of necessitates an awareness and understanding of ones surroundings, and for an AI, that would be the digital world.

I don’t think so.  Self-awareness per se does mot necessitate anything other ability to a conceptualize self.   In that such ability does not pop out of quantum foam fully formed, it seem likely the ability to comceptualize self evolved because it aids in solving problems necessary for survival.   So self-awareness May be strongly correlated with a tendency to frame problems in the context of self.

Curiousity does not need self awareness, nor does self awareness need curiosity.   The only relationship between the two is self-awareness permits an awareness of the one’s own curiosity.

Yeh you are probably right about this, and honestly, I haven't given much thought to consciousness, but in my mind even if the consciousness exists in an absolute void, if it is not aware enough to distinguish itself from the void then it is not fully self-aware. But then again I probably shouldn't think about biological consciousness when thinking of AI.


Any AI system which has become self-aware, if we go by current AI design patterns, will be a self-learning system at its core as it needs to gather input and make sense of it without human intervention, and I don't think self-awareness can be achieved by training on a small fixed dataset, so the AI will have to be given access to a really huge data source, and at the moment the best way to do that is to give it access to the internet with possibly some controls in place. It won't really need a "motivation" to go through the internet, I think that'd be a part of its existence, and the need to seek out information is what it would start off with.

[Anomalocaris]

I don’t think so.  Self-awareness per se does mot necessitate anything other ability to a conceptualize self.   In that such ability does not pop out of quantum foam fully formed, it seem likely the ability to comceptualize self evolved because it aids in solving problems necessary for survival.   So self-awareness May be strongly correlated with a tendency to frame problems in the context of self.

Curiousity does not need self awareness, nor does self awareness need curiosity.   The only relationship between the two is self-awareness permits an awareness of the one’s own curiosity.

Yeh you are probably right about this, and honestly, I haven't given much thought to consciousness, but in my mind even if the consciousness exists in an absolute void, if it is not aware enough to distinguish itself from the void then it is not fully self-aware. But then again I probably shouldn't think about biological consciousness when thinking of AI.


Any AI system which has become self-aware, if we go by current AI design patterns, will be a self-learning system at its core as it needs to gather input and make sense of it without human intervention, and I don't think self-awareness can be achieved by training on a small fixed dataset, so the AI will have to be given access to a really huge data source, and at the moment the best way to do that is to give it access to the internet with possibly some controls in place. It won't really need a "motivation" to go through the internet, I think that'd be a part of its existence, and the need to seek out information is what it would start off with.

I disagree with that also.     I think at its core self awareness is a preset tendency to organize both preprogrammed and learned information in a specific way, and use those information to solve problems in a specific way.   So the lynchpin of self awareness is the hardware or firmware rather than the information.    I can not see how any amount of information will necessitate or encourage the framing of any problem in the context of self if the hardware or firmware is not already there.   So a machine can’t learn its way to self awareness unless it already been given extensive wiring configured to frame problem in the context of self.

[Aoi Magi]

Yeh you are probably right about this, and honestly, I haven't given much thought to consciousness, but in my mind even if the consciousness exists in an absolute void, if it is not aware enough to distinguish itself from the void then it is not fully self-aware. But then again I probably shouldn't think about biological consciousness when thinking of AI.


Any AI system which has become self-aware, if we go by current AI design patterns, will be a self-learning system at its core as it needs to gather input and make sense of it without human intervention, and I don't think self-awareness can be achieved by training on a small fixed dataset, so the AI will have to be given access to a really huge data source, and at the moment the best way to do that is to give it access to the internet with possibly some controls in place. It won't really need a "motivation" to go through the internet, I think that'd be a part of its existence, and the need to seek out information is what it would start off with.

I disagree with that also.     I think at its core self awareness is a preset tendency to organize both preprogrammed and learned information in a specific way, and use those information to solve problems in a specific way.   So the lynchpin of self awareness is the hardware or firmware rather than the information.    I can not see how any amount of information will necessitate or encourage the framing of any problem in the context of self if the hardware or firmware is not already there.   So a machine can’t learn its way to self awareness unless it already been given extensive wiring configured to frame problem in the context of self.

Then you misunderstand, any AI setup will not become self-aware if it has no room for adapting to face unspecified problems and situations. if it can only solve one specific problem or even only a fixed subset of problems, it can't reach the level of AGI and can't be self-aware in the sense of a conscious being. In order to reach AGI level, the "pre-programmed" part of it will have to enable it to work in non-predefined situations. Also, algorithms are not entirely dependent on hardware.

[I_am_not_mafia]

What would motive it to learn?

Self-awareness kind of necessitates an awareness and understanding of ones surroundings, and for an AI, that would be the digital world.

Well at the very least it needs a self distinct from its environment.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Any specific motivation or desire, or any behavior driving mechanism, that an AI can have has to be an artifact of specific circuitry or firmware that entered its behavior driving mechanism in the process by which such mechanism came to be.  No specific motivation or desire will arise just because.    The notion that consciousness will naturally arise with complexity and with consciousness will come desire with which we can either identify or recognize is just I’ll founded mushy brained wish thinking bullshit, good for Star Trek caliber sciFI.  Not for intelligent consideration.

Say what AI will do, and you need to explain how the AI came to want to do it.

You do realize that this won't be a planned event, right? That the AI will come about because of random events? Therefore what the AI "wants" or plans to do is completely unpredictable.

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Meh, I mooned the Universe from the top of an 11,000 foot volcano. Eat me, Big U.  

You mooned the universe from the earth’s anus?

Sorry, that's in Washington. 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue to be exact.

[ignoramus]

Personally, I don't think it will happen.
It'll be like 3D tv's. It'll go in the too hard basket until the next paradign shift in technology.

I can't even see any major steps in tech bio augmentation.
Sure, there'll be progress with limbs, maybe eyes, maybe even fixing broken spinal cords.

When we landed on the moon, they predicted we'll be travelling the stars in no time.

Maybe in 500-3000 years!