An unhinged mob

[Angrboda]

Political violence goes coast to coast as Proud Boys and antifa activists clash in New York, Portland

Street beatings and melees broke out on both coasts this weekend during confrontations involving the Proud Boys and antifascists — ideologically opposed movements that both condone political violence and practice it with some regularity on their opponents.

Police in New York and Portland are investigating viral videos of the attacks but have not yet blamed either group. New York’s Democratic mayor, governor and attorney general, however, have accused the Proud Boys of instigating the weekend’s first act of violence. (Representatives for the Proud Boys could not immediately be reached.)

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New York, Friday

Gavin McInnes, who founded the Proud Boys in 2016 as a nationalist men’s club, was scheduled to speak at the Metropolitan Republican Club that evening about “Deep State Socialists” and “Western Values” — common themes for his group.

After the speech, about two dozen Proud Boys emerged from the club to find a similarly sized group of protesters waiting to confront them, including antifascists, as seen in cellphone videos. While antifascists, or “antifa” activists, are more loosely organized than the hierarchical, uniformed Proud Boys, both groups consider each other dangerous to U.S. society and condone violence to defend their notions of it.

“I recognized one” of the antifascists, McInnes later told HuffPost, recalling the confrontation. “He stole a Proud Boys MAGA hat and was immediately tuned up.”

Cellphone videos show an unidentified victim writhing on the sidewalk while several men take turns kicking him, and at least a dozen Proud Boys in uniform polo shirts, scream various slurs.

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Portland, Saturday

The next night, on the other side of the country, Proud Boys were reported among a right-wing group that marched through downtown Portland toward their ideological opponents.

Portland, which has long seen clashes between the far left and far right, has been consumed for two weeks with Black Lives Matter protests over a fatal police shooting in September. Those protests, in turn, provoked right-wing groups when video emerged last weekend of demonstrators blocking traffic and beating on a passing driver’s car.

So on Saturday evening, a conservative group organized a “flash march for Law and Order” — marching toward the downtown plaza where a memorial had been set up for the police shooting victim, Patrick Kimmons.

“We’ve got Proud Boys running security,” one of the organizers said in a Facebook Live stream of the march.

Predictably, the marchers arrived at the plaza to find it full of counterprotesters chanting “Black Lives Matter.” The local antifascist group was among those live-tweeting from that side of Fourth Avenue.

The right-wing marchers paused on the other side of the street, waving U.S. flags and chanting back — “All Lives Matter,” and “U.S.A., U.S.A.!” and eventually shouted threats.

“Respect the memorial and vigil that’s going on over there,” a man with a loudspeaker said, as seen in one of several Facebook Live videos. “But if they come across the street, you gotta do what you gotta do.”

Portland police had apparently been expecting trouble and managed to dissuade it for half an hour or so by lining up in tactical gear along the street.

But after sundown, things kicked off.

The antifascists may have provoked the violence, according to Mike Bivins, a freelance reporter who documented the ensuing melee on Twitter. One of them burned an American flag as the Proud Boys and company were leaving, causing them to return. Another antifascist then doused the entire group with pepper spray, Bivins wrote.

From there, the scene devolved into something like an exponentially larger version of the Manhattan assault. (Explicit videos below).

While it’s hard to tell who is who in cellphone videos, a man stepped out from a sea of red “Make America Great Again” hats and punched someone in the opposite crowd in the face. Various fistfights and scuffles then started, with some people scrambling across the street, slamming into windows or collapsing to the pavement in a flurry of kicks.

[RoadRunner79]

He told people to attack peaceful protestors?  Did he tell them to harass people at their homes, and it restaurants?   Did he encourage them to shriek at and yell at people; like a crazy person?  I'm not too concerned with before.... I'm looking at who appears more level headed now.

The people shouting are protesting the government, the right are currently the government so are the ones being protested by the left.

The right on the other hand will just kill you for protesting.

I have seen right wingers here put forward the idea that the right should be allowed to run over protestors.

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/19/repu...l-protest/

I don't think that anyone was suggesting that someone can just mow into a crowd of protestors with a car.   My understanding of that was that if you are in a bad situation then you have the right to protect yourself, and get out of that situation.   If a person is injured or even killed trying to block your car and your escape from that, then it is a matter of self defense.   I would agree with that.   You go slowly, and they are not allowed to impede your progress. If they attack your car (because they are unhinged crazy people), then that justifies more haste to get out of the situation.  

I think that you need to read more than just the headlines in select articles.

[Amarok]

I don't think that anyone was suggesting that someone can just mow into a crowd of protestors with a car.   My understanding of that was that if you are in a bad situation then you have the right to protect yourself, and get out of that situation.   If a person is injured or even killed trying to block your car and your escape from that, then it is a matter of self defense.   I would agree with that.   You go slowly, and they are not allowed to impede your progress. If they attack your car (because they are unhinged crazy people), then that justifies more haste to get out of the situation.   

I think that you need to read more than just the headlines in select articles.

Nice apologetics  for cold blooded murder

And again moving the goal post

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Political violence goes coast to coast as Proud Boys and antifa activists clash in New York, Portland

Street beatings and melees broke out on both coasts this weekend during confrontations involving the Proud Boys and antifascists — ideologically opposed movements that both condone political violence and practice it with some regularity on their opponents.

Police in New York and Portland are investigating viral videos of the attacks but have not yet blamed either group. New York’s Democratic mayor, governor and attorney general, however, have accused the Proud Boys of instigating the weekend’s first act of violence. (Representatives for the Proud Boys could not immediately be reached.)

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New York, Friday

Gavin McInnes, who founded the Proud Boys in 2016 as a nationalist men’s club, was scheduled to speak at the Metropolitan Republican Club that evening about “Deep State Socialists” and “Western Values” — common themes for his group.

After the speech, about two dozen Proud Boys emerged from the club to find a similarly sized group of protesters waiting to confront them, including antifascists, as seen in cellphone videos. While antifascists, or “antifa” activists, are more loosely organized than the hierarchical, uniformed Proud Boys, both groups consider each other dangerous to U.S. society and condone violence to defend their notions of it.

“I recognized one” of the antifascists, McInnes later told HuffPost, recalling the confrontation. “He stole a Proud Boys MAGA hat and was immediately tuned up.”

Cellphone videos show an unidentified victim writhing on the sidewalk while several men take turns kicking him, and at least a dozen Proud Boys in uniform polo shirts, scream various slurs.

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Portland, Saturday

The next night, on the other side of the country, Proud Boys were reported among a right-wing group that marched through downtown Portland toward their ideological opponents.

Portland, which has long seen clashes between the far left and far right, has been consumed for two weeks with Black Lives Matter protests over a fatal police shooting in September. Those protests, in turn, provoked right-wing groups when video emerged last weekend of demonstrators blocking traffic and beating on a passing driver’s car.

So on Saturday evening, a conservative group organized a “flash march for Law and Order” — marching toward the downtown plaza where a memorial had been set up for the police shooting victim, Patrick Kimmons.

“We’ve got Proud Boys running security,” one of the organizers said in a Facebook Live stream of the march.

Predictably, the marchers arrived at the plaza to find it full of counterprotesters chanting “Black Lives Matter.” The local antifascist group was among those live-tweeting from that side of Fourth Avenue.

The right-wing marchers paused on the other side of the street, waving U.S. flags and chanting back — “All Lives Matter,” and “U.S.A., U.S.A.!” and eventually shouted threats.

“Respect the memorial and vigil that’s going on over there,” a man with a loudspeaker said, as seen in one of several Facebook Live videos. “But if they come across the street, you gotta do what you gotta do.”

Portland police had apparently been expecting trouble and managed to dissuade it for half an hour or so by lining up in tactical gear along the street.

But after sundown, things kicked off.

The antifascists may have provoked the violence, according to Mike Bivins, a freelance reporter who documented the ensuing melee on Twitter. One of them burned an American flag as the Proud Boys and company were leaving, causing them to return. Another antifascist then doused the entire group with pepper spray, Bivins wrote.

From there, the scene devolved into something like an exponentially larger version of the Manhattan assault. (Explicit videos below).

While it’s hard to tell who is who in cellphone videos, a man stepped out from a sea of red “Make America Great Again” hats and punched someone in the opposite crowd in the face. Various fistfights and scuffles then started, with some people scrambling across the street, slamming into windows or collapsing to the pavement in a flurry of kicks.

Does not matter Jorm he'll either invent and excuse to say it's different or move the goal post .

[downbeatplumb]

The people shouting are protesting the government, the right are currently the government so are the ones being protested by the left.

The right on the other hand will just kill you for protesting.

I have seen right wingers here put forward the idea that the right should be allowed to run over protestors.

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/19/repu...l-protest/

I don't think that anyone was suggesting that someone can just mow into a crowd of protestors with a car.   My understanding of that was that if you are in a bad situation then you have the right to protect yourself, and get out of that situation.   If a person is injured or even killed trying to block your car and your escape from that, then it is a matter of self defense.   I would agree with that.   You go slowly, and they are not allowed to impede your progress. If they attack your car (because they are unhinged crazy people), then that justifies more haste to get out of the situation.  

I think that you need to read more than just the headlines in select articles.

Yes and as I said some people here were taking that law and suggesting they could plough down the left with their cars if they protested.

Read all that I wrote not just the link.

[Amarok]

I don't think that anyone was suggesting that someone can just mow into a crowd of protestors with a car.   My understanding of that was that if you are in a bad situation then you have the right to protect yourself, and get out of that situation.   If a person is injured or even killed trying to block your car and your escape from that, then it is a matter of self defense.   I would agree with that.   You go slowly, and they are not allowed to impede your progress. If they attack your car (because they are unhinged crazy people), then that justifies more haste to get out of the situation.  

I think that you need to read more than just the headlines in select articles.

Yes and as I said some people here were taking that law and suggesting they could plough down the left with their cars if they protested.

And it's a fact that members of the unite the right were found discussing using cars as weapons against counter protesters . But as i said he will always have an excuse to give his extremists a pass . Left Wingers will be insane radicals but his will always be "level headed "

[RoadRunner79]

I don't think that anyone was suggesting that someone can just mow into a crowd of protestors with a car.   My understanding of that was that if you are in a bad situation then you have the right to protect yourself, and get out of that situation.   If a person is injured or even killed trying to block your car and your escape from that, then it is a matter of self defense.   I would agree with that.   You go slowly, and they are not allowed to impede your progress. If they attack your car (because they are unhinged crazy people), then that justifies more haste to get out of the situation.  

I think that you need to read more than just the headlines in select articles.

Yes and as I said some people here were taking that law and suggesting they could plough down the left with their cars if they protested.

I'm not familiar with that instance... and I think that you can find someone to say just about anything if you look hard enough.   But if you are trying to attribute it to a larger group, then I think that you need do a little more work than that.

[Amarok]

I'm not familiar with that instance... and I think that you can find someone to say just about anything if you look hard enough.   But if you are trying to attribute it to a larger group, then I think that you need do a little more work than that.

And the excuses continue

[downbeatplumb]

Yes and as I said some people here were taking that law and suggesting they could plough down the left with their cars if they protested.

I'm not familiar with that instance... and I think that you can find someone to say just about anything if you look hard enough.   But if you are trying to attribute it to a larger group, then I think that you need do a little more work than that.

It doesn't have to be every member of a group does it.
Threats by the right are not uncommon.
They apparently "want to drink our liberal tears".


It is the right who are the problem.

The report identified 63 incidents involving those “motivated by a theocratic political ideology espoused by such groups as the Islamic State”. In that time period, this includes the San Bernardino shootings and Boston Marathon bombings, among others.

Right-wing extremists, often white supremacists, were responsible for 115 incidents within the same period.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...05831.html

[RoadRunner79]

I'm not familiar with that instance... and I think that you can find someone to say just about anything if you look hard enough.   But if you are trying to attribute it to a larger group, then I think that you need do a little more work than that.

It doesn't have to be every member of a group does it.
Threats by the right are not uncommon.
They apparently "want to drink our liberal tears".


It is the right who are the problem.

The report identified 63 incidents involving those “motivated by a theocratic political ideology espoused by such groups as the Islamic State”. In that time period, this includes the San Bernardino shootings and Boston Marathon bombings, among others.

Right-wing extremists, often white supremacists, were responsible for 115 incidents within the same period.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...05831.html

Ok...  I don't align myself with white supremacists, in their cause or in these incidents.   I also don't think that they represent the republicans.

[Amarok]

I'm not familiar with that instance... and I think that you can find someone to say just about anything if you look hard enough.   But if you are trying to attribute it to a larger group, then I think that you need do a little more work than that.

It doesn't have to be every member of a group does it.
Threats by the right are not uncommon.
They apparently "want to drink our liberal tears".


It is the right who are the problem.

The report identified 63 incidents involving those “motivated by a theocratic political ideology espoused by such groups as the Islamic State”. In that time period, this includes the San Bernardino shootings and Boston Marathon bombings, among others.

Right-wing extremists, often white supremacists, were responsible for 115 incidents within the same period.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...05831.html

Oh no it needs to be a lot for his side. That goal post is just chugging along .

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Ok...  I don't align myself with white supremacists, in their cause or in these incidents.   I also don't think that they represent the republicans.

They are on your side of the fence and they are not small part of it so sorry you don't get to dismiss them to maintain your narrative .