An unhinged mob

[Amarok]

Okay, tough guy.

Not so much tough more convicted 

[Shell B]

If you practiced what you preached, you’d be convicted indeed.

[Amarok]

If you practiced what you preached, you’d be convicted indeed.

And i don't ?

[CapnAwesome]

So, you're saying if they are violent, it's then okay to be violent, which is exactly what I said. I said it's NOT okay to be violent first, which is what you initially negated, so I have no idea what you're going on about.

My point is by example 

Let's say the proud boys are going to hold a hate rally and preach violence against minorities and make a ruckus .I'm saying we have the right to disrupt it and beat the snot out of them because there a bunch of bigot thugs . Technically were starting the physical violence even though their preaching threatening and condoning violence and lastly i'm saying you can no more reason with their kind then you can a fanatical cult thus violence is justified

So you have a rally with a bunched of fanatical people, some of whom are armed, and your idea for improving this situation is to attack them?

What is your goal there? To discourage the proud boys? Oh wait, they enjoy violence.

To win over third parties? Again. How does that achieve that? It doesn't and in fact makes people who would never be sympathtic to the proud boys ideas, sympathetic to them.

In addition the proud boys would never get a squeak of media coverage if antifa didn't show up and have all the violence occurred. Now they are in the media cycle, Google searches are way up.

To contain the rukus they are causing? If you think attacking them does that, you haven't thought it out at all.


So what are your goals that attacking them is going to accomplish? I'd really like to know.

[Amarok]

My point is by example 

Let's say the proud boys are going to hold a hate rally and preach violence against minorities and make a ruckus .I'm saying we have the right to disrupt it and beat the snot out of them because there a bunch of bigot thugs . Technically were starting the physical violence even though their preaching threatening and condoning violence and lastly i'm saying you can no more reason with their kind then you can a fanatical cult thus violence is justified

So you have a rally with a bunched of fanatical people, some of whom are armed, and your idea for improving this situation is to attack them?

What is your goal there? To discourage the proud boys? Oh wait, they enjoy violence.

To win over third parties? Again. How does that achieve that? It doesn't and in fact makes people who would never be sympathtic to the proud boys ideas, sympathetic to them.

In addition the proud boys would never get a squeak of media coverage if antifa didn't show up and have all the violence occurred. Now they are in the media cycle, Google searches are way up.

To contain the rukus they are causing? If you think attacking them does that, you haven't thought it out at all.


So what are your goals that attacking them is going to accomplish? I'd really like to know.

1. So we have a bunch of armed fanatics who if they aren't stopped will attack people who are not fighting back .

2. Antifa has won against the proud boys and run them out of neighborhoods they have terrorized and yes they love violence but they would much rather take it out on defenseless people then fight us . 

3.No they would get attention as their founder has become a darling of the extreme right complete with his own show and is attempting to go mainstream 

4.Winning over third parties is not my goal as anyone dumb enough to think the proud boys are sympathetic is someone i want nothing to do with . 

5. We have contained it in street protest after street protest . Yeah they are fighting back but so are we .

You clearly don't understand the dynamics here

[Shell B]

If you practiced what you preached, you’d be convicted indeed.

And i don't ?

You go around kicking right wingers asses? I doubt it. A lot.

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Oh, great. We definitely have left and right wing fanatics willing, ostensibly, to fight each other in the streets. You're all embarrassments to the human race. Grow the fuck up and get on board with progress. Think outside of the box instead feeding right into their lines.

[Amarok]

And i don't ?

You go around kicking right wingers asses? I doubt it. A lot.

These days with my current list of miladies nope  . In the past from the 80s to 2016 in protests hell yes  and i still do it if i could .

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Oh, great. We definitely have left and right wing fanatics willing, ostensibly, to fight each other in the streets. You're all embarrassments to the human race. Grow the fuck up and get on board with progress. Think outside of the box instead feeding right into their lines.

No we have Right wing fanatics and Left wing counters . And no your the embarrassment as you hide . Grow the fuck up and realize these fuckers are not playing by your rules and your concept of progress is dead air to them . Think outside the box instead of giving them what they want docility .

[CapnAwesome]

So you have a rally with a bunched of fanatical people, some of whom are armed, and your idea for improving this situation is to attack them?

What is your goal there? To discourage the proud boys? Oh wait, they enjoy violence.

To win over third parties? Again. How does that achieve that? It doesn't and in fact makes people who would never be sympathtic to the proud boys ideas, sympathetic to them.

In addition the proud boys would never get a squeak of media coverage if antifa didn't show up and have all the violence occurred. Now they are in the media cycle, Google searches are way up.

To contain the rukus they are causing? If you think attacking them does that, you haven't thought it out at all.


So what are your goals that attacking them is going to accomplish? I'd really like to know.

1. So we have a bunch of armed fanatics who if they aren't stopped will attack people who are not fighting back .

2. Antifa has won against the proud boys and run them out of neighborhoods they have terrorized and yes they love violence but they would much rather take it out on defenseless people then fight us . 

3.No they would get attention as their founder has become a darling of the extreme right complete with his own show and is attempting to go mainstream 

4.Winning over third parties is not my goal as anyone dumb enough to think the proud boys are sympathetic is someone i want nothing to do with . 

5. We have contained it in street protest after street protest . Yeah they are fighting back but so are we .

You clearly don't understand the dynamics here

None of that even addressed what I was saying. Nor is it true.

Antifa hasn't run the proud boys out of neighborhoods, they've turned those neighborhoods into chaos and violence that otherwise wouldn't have happened if they hadn't been there.

I'm not talking about winning a fight, I'm talking about overall goals.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore...oys&geo=US

You see those spikes there? They literally align with fights with antifa. The more stupid pointless street brawls, the more attention they get. It's a direct correlation.

There has never been a proud boys demonstration that wasn't made far worse and more violent by antifa showing up.

So congrats on winning a fight, if that's even true, but if you have goals such as opposing the views of the proud boys and making them less than what they are: total failure in everyway.

[Shell B]

You go around kicking right wingers asses? I doubt it. A lot.

These days with my current list of miladies nope  . In the past from the 80s to 2016 in protests hell yes  and i still do it if i could .

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Oh, great. We definitely have left and right wing fanatics willing, ostensibly, to fight each other in the streets. You're all embarrassments to the human race. Grow the fuck up and get on board with progress. Think outside of the box instead feeding right into their lines.

No we have Right wing fanatics and Left wing counters . And no your the embarrassment as you hide . Grow the fuck up and realize these fuckers are not playing by your rules and your concept of progress is dead air to them . Think outside the box instead of giving them what they want docility .

You think I hide? I wouldn't hide from either of these mobs of political pussies who are too scared to try and affect real progress. Too scared to do anything other than shout what they think others should be doing while attacking each other verbally or, as you claim about yourself, physically. Just because I'm not a nut-sack swinging little bitch doesn't mean I'm docile. I'm just not so stupid that I think attacking someone who isn't attacking me or someone else physically is going to solve anything.

I'm quite fucking shocked you were so "ermagerd strawman" about my post while you've openly admitted that violence is your solution.

[Joods]

In a nutshell:

Using violence as an answer to violence is a bad idea.