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RE: conscription and selective service
November 20, 2018 at 12:57 am
(This post was last modified: November 20, 2018 at 1:01 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Meh....I joined to be a peacekeeper, that aint what I did...still...I made that choice when it came. You can get processed out pretty easy if you want. Just do a few lines and smoke a fat dooby and walk into the 1st Sgts c-hut. Lose the bolt on your saw. Quick ticket home.
(otoh, if you're devoted and essential you can do as many lines as you want and chief in front of a full bird and they'll let you slide with a fine)
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RE: conscription and selective service
November 20, 2018 at 1:11 am
(November 20, 2018 at 12:14 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: I'd go the other way with it. Let service confer benefits over and above the baseline...but allow that service to be civil or military.
As a former infantryman in a pretty rough span of time...I don't want any chance that the folks standing next to me aren't volunteers. Hell...I used to tell all the nastygirls (who signed up thinking they'd never be deployed) to stay in the fucking humvee. I value my life.
This.
I enlisted in the Air Force in 1985. I was one of the early generation of volunteers who joined because of relatively good pay and good treatment under the Reagan administration. I remember well the amazement of long-serving military and civil service members of the quality of incoming personnel.
The last thing the military wants is a return to conscription because the quality of military members under that system is terrible.
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RE: conscription and selective service
November 20, 2018 at 1:14 am
The point is that what the generals want is not always best for society.
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RE: conscription and selective service
November 20, 2018 at 1:16 am
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You don't have to tell the rank and file that, lol. Those guys are fuckin crazy. "You want me to do what?!" -not for a commemorative coin you senile piece a shit.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: conscription and selective service
November 20, 2018 at 1:20 am
The Pork Chop Hill mentality.
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RE: conscription and selective service
November 20, 2018 at 1:25 am
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Either we learned from that incident or we didn't...right? IDK, wrong guy to ask I guess..I wasn't trained for open war in a field, over some stupid hills. My ao was the other guys bedroom. Take it to em where they slept, where they felt safe. Three in the morning, in their house...their grannies neck under my boot. Wanna answer some questions now..? Again.....the need for committed volunteers when it comes to a home invasion in hostile space.
That's a modern conflict.
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RE: conscription and selective service
November 20, 2018 at 2:18 am
If we didn't learn from Vietnam, we'll never learn.
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RE: conscription and selective service
November 20, 2018 at 8:40 am
Only if one service option is civil work corp like they had during the great depression. Two years or whatever working on public works. The peace corps is an option, too.
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RE: conscription and selective service
November 20, 2018 at 9:00 am
I knew when I was 12 that I'd join the Navy some day. Never regretted it. And "incentives" back then was "not being drafted into the USMC."
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RE: conscription and selective service
November 20, 2018 at 10:06 am
OK then what about a forced conscription for min 18months with 3 options:
peace corp type stuff, civil state support (ANG, coastguard, etc.) , national support (choose your branch to include space command).
You're forcing people to chose, but giving people the choice on how. That would mean the guys beside you still had chosen to be there.
Besides after 18 months people that didn't want to be there would just be gone. Only those who reenlist would really be supporting long term war efforts. And if it was normalized in society as just something everyone had to do, like pay taxes, then I don't think people would be as butt sore about having to choose. It might even give civilian a better perspective of what serving your country means. Especially in a day and age when serving anything but yourself seems absent in a large populous.
Srry, just early morning rambling, I need caffeine
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