Animal rights, veganism and PETA

[thesummerqueen]

Here in Adelaide we're culturally deprived. We CANNOT get a decent bagel. (I make my own when I can be arsed) Nor have I ever come across a hot pastrami on rye. There are no kosher delis in this state. Eating at a good kosher deli in New York spoils you.

The last place I was having to get bagels was in Charlottesville, VA on the way back and forth from seeing Mum. There's a bagel shop there that's just to die for, but that's hell on gas to go up there. I could have cried when I found this deli tucked away on one of my routes home.

[Jaysyn]

I like eating meat. I don't think I've ever eaten an animal that I didn't like. Even exotic stuff like gator, turtle, snails, buffalo & ostrich. Sorry PETA, livestock has the right to be kept healthy in clean & sanitary conditions & killed quickly. That's it.

[Edwardo Piet]

I don't think so. People should never be called faggots but I don't think we need a law saying so.

Good point. But are legal rights the only form of "rights"? What about moral rights?

Obviously, morality is relative...... but can't we be democratic about other things besides the law?

[The Omnissiunt One]

I like eating meat. I don't think I've ever eaten an animal that I didn't like. Even exotic stuff like gator, turtle, snails, buffalo & ostrich. Sorry PETA, livestock has the right to be kept healthy in clean & sanitary conditions & killed quickly. That's it.

Why? If we treat infant humans who are less intelligent than most pigs as we do, why shouldn't we accord pigs the same rights?

[Edwardo Piet]

Well they don't have the same LEGAL rights because they don't have the potential to become a legal member of society.

[Skipper]

I like eating meat. I don't think I've ever eaten an animal that I didn't like. Even exotic stuff like gator, turtle, snails, buffalo & ostrich. Sorry PETA, livestock has the right to be kept healthy in clean & sanitary conditions & killed quickly. That's it.

Why? If we treat infant humans who are less intelligent than most pigs as we do, why shouldn't we accord pigs the same rights?

I don't think intelligence comes into it, but I guess in your example the reason would be that the pig isn't the offspring of a fellow human and isn't likely to grow up to be another intelligent adult human

I like eating meat. I don't think I've ever eaten an animal that I didn't like. Even exotic stuff like gator, turtle, snails, buffalo & ostrich.

Try snake...fucking disgusting meat...worst thing I've ever eaten.

[Diamond]

I have been a vegetarian for two years . It was because I did not like the way animals were being treated. Then I started losing wieght so I just stayed one. I still care about animals, the wieght loss thing is just another reason.

For some odd reason, at least where I live, I always get these wide-eyed looks whenever I tell someone that. Is no meat for two years really that big of an achievment?

[HeyItsZeus]

As long as done humanely the slaughtering of animals shouldn't be a problem. We need to eat and ingest protein, fat etc... and meat seems like a great way to do that. Unfortunately it has been known that not all animals are treated properly and this is a disgrace. We need organizations that protect these animals from pain and suffering but they should be well organised, rational and most importantly...not insane.

I do see a problem with eating meat and I will gladly state it.
It is not always possible to know what has happened to the animal I am eating therefore the only rational thing to do is avoid it as a precautionary thing, not because I feel it is not moral. If I know for sure the animal I eat lived a reasonable life I'm more than happy to gobble down a nice sandwich with prosciutto and salami and all of that great stuff!

Just keep the animal in mind because after all animals are our brethren.

[theVOID]

Like I give a shit anyway, but I think I have a pretty good argument for eating meat that trumps all the vegan pussies.

Eating meat is ethical.

1. Excluding battery farming, farmed animals have amongst the highest quality lives of all animals including wild animals.
2. Eating meat increases the demand for farmed animals.
3. A demand for farmed animals increases the supply of animals
4. A higher supply of animals living better lives increases the mean quality of life for animals.
5. An increase in the quality of life for any being(s) is ethical so long as it is not of a greater expense to other beings.
6. Farming animals is ethical, it increases the quality of life for humans and animals.

PETA are unethical.

7. Preventing an ethical action is unethical.
8. PETA prevent ethical actions.
9. PETA are unethical.



*1: Farmed animals die in a painless way after a longer than average life, this is superior to a shorter average life ending through being prey, starvation or disease.

[HeyItsZeus]

Like I give a shit anyway, but I think I have a pretty good argument for eating meat that trumps all the vegan pussies.

Eating meat is ethical.

1. Excluding battery farming, farmed animals have amongst the highest quality lives of all animals including wild animals.
2. Eating meat increases the demand for farmed animals.
3. A demand for farmed animals increases the supply of animals
4. A higher supply of animals living better lives increases the mean quality of life for animals.
5. An increase in the quality of life for any being(s) is ethical so long as it is not of a greater expense to other beings.
6. Farming animals is ethical, it increases the quality of life for humans and animals.

PETA are unethical.

7. Preventing an ethical action is unethical.
8. PETA prevent ethical actions.
9. PETA are unethical.



*1: Farmed animals die in a painless way after a longer than average life, this is superior to a shorter average life ending through being prey, starvation or disease.

These are not constant arguments as they are not always true. And who are you calling a pussy, you pussy!