Animal rights, veganism and PETA

[Anomalocaris]

Since forever. Might doesn't 'make' right in the sense that it doesn't imply it.

It asserts it.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Since forever. Might doesn't 'make' right in the sense that it doesn't imply it.

I agree it is not implied.

A conflict theorist,my comment was based on an observation of how power actually works. IE the base of all power is force,explicit or implied. This is a pragmatic,not a moral position.

[Edwardo Piet]

Since forever. Might doesn't 'make' right in the sense that it doesn't imply it.

It asserts it.

But it doesn't make it. So what if 'might' asserts 'right'? The point is it doesn't actually make it.

---

A conflict theorist,my comment was based on an observation of how power actually works. IE the base of all power is force,explicit or implied. This is a pragmatic,not a moral position.

Yeah but since 'might' doesn't actually make 'right' at all, it's got nothing to do with morality. When we talk about 'might' we're talking about power, yes. But when we're talking about 'right' we're talking about morality.

[Ubermensch]

I am an apex predator. I will eat what I want when I want. That includes people and bears.

[Jaysyn]

I like eating meat. I don't think I've ever eaten an animal that I didn't like. Even exotic stuff like gator, turtle, snails, buffalo & ostrich. Sorry PETA, livestock has the right to be kept healthy in clean & sanitary conditions & killed quickly. That's it.

Why? If we treat infant humans who are less intelligent than most pigs as we do, why shouldn't we accord pigs the same rights?

Nowhere in my post did I equate intelligence with rights & if you can't understand the intrinsic difference between a pig & an infant, I ... I just don't have any words for that.

---

Try snake...fucking disgusting meat...worst thing I've ever eaten.

I've had rattlesnake & throughly enjoyed it.

[The Omnissiunt One]

Why? If we treat infant humans who are less intelligent than most pigs as we do, why shouldn't we accord pigs the same rights?

Nowhere in my post did I equate intelligence with rights & if you can't understand the intrinsic difference between a pig & an infant, I ... I just don't have any words for that.

It's not my problem if you can't form a coherent argument to defend your position. Talk of 'intrinsic difference' is obvious nonsense, or, if it isn't, you'll just have to show me why. To me, it just seems like the last prejudice to exist in society.

[Dotard]

I had a pig once. He was a two legged pig.

Smartest thing you ever saw. Once the house caught fire in the middle of the night and that pig woke everyone saving our lives.
Another time little Joey went missing and that pig tracked down lost little Joey and led him home!
Then there was the time little Suzy fell in the lake and that pig went in after her and pulled her to safety!

Why did he have only two legs?


Well... A pig that special you don't eat all at once!

[Violet]

But it doesn't make it. So what if 'might' asserts 'right'? The point is it doesn't actually make it.

It makes it quite plainly, i think. Observe: if you don't think it's 'right' that I can claw my way into your country, killing all your women and children and annexing your former territory... this is what I have to say to you:

Yeah but since 'might' doesn't actually make 'right' at all, it's got nothing to do with morality. When we talk about 'might' we're talking about power, yes. But when we're talking about 'right' we're talking about morality.

When you talk about 'right' in such a manner, you've necessarily involked that something with enough power to consider the meaning of 'right' already exists. In other words, you literally cannot have morality without first having some degree of power. I would hardly accuse the rocks and trees of being moral or amoral

---

Nowhere in my post did I equate intelligence with rights & if you can't understand the intrinsic difference between a pig & an infant, I ... I just don't have any words for that.

Let's glance at similarities shall we?

Pig: Poops whenever it has the urge to poop.
Infant: Poops whenever it has the urge to poop.
Pig: Makes a huge mess when it eats food.
Infant: Makes a huge mess when it eats food.
Pig: The domesticated variety only maintain their existence because of the work of their providers.
Infant: The domesticated variety only maintain their existence because of the work of their providers.

Enough similarities... now the differences:

Pig: Adult pig is much smarter than the human infant.
Pig: Adult pig sleeps much less than the human infant.
Pig: Adult pig will very likely provide resources to the human populace when it dies... infant is a gamble that could land anywhere between being a rocket scientist and being a bum, with the lesser intelligences probably favored.
Pig: Takes very little time out of each day to raise until butcher day... infant takes every moment it isn't sleeping and plenty of the times it is.
Pig: Can make a wonderful pet. Humans are illegal to turn into pets (though children are pets of sorts, insomuch as they are slaves of the master).
Pig: Squeal on occasion, but they get to stay outside much of the time, so you never have to listen to it. Infants cry like they are dying to multitudes of things, and it's really quite hard to figure out what it is they want when they are doing it, thus the crying persists and frustration levels increase.
Pig: Need i mention that the pig is a resource that consumes relatively few resources for what it is almost guaranteed to provide (a tasty meal)? Infants, well they consume and consume and consume and consume and will probably consume for many times the lifetime of that pig, and will also probably contribute to the overabundant population without actually doing anything worthy of note for their nation (let alone the human race, or planet).
Pig: People don't expect you to coddle them.. their lot in life is understood and pretty simple (growing machine of pork-flavored meat). Infants though... if you don't talk to them like they are a pet: people will look at you angrily and appear to be offended.
Pig: Will never crash your car, drain you some hundred-thousand dollars or more and then leave you for the world, will never date that jock whore you don't trust, wont run up your electricity and heating bill unless you are an idiot and are raising them through the winter and don't believe that the shelter you've provided for them is enough, won't buy 5,000$ worth of purchases in songs and movies or 10,000$+ in pursuit of video games. Infants: while they can't do any of these at this stage, this is a future they are very likely to have, plus several piles of money in doctor visits.

So far: i value pigs higher than i do human infants at this time. The chance of something positive coming out of your gamble with children is very low... and it is a chance, there is next to no certainty in it anywhere. Infants are entirely useless at that stage in their life... give them a number of years and they'll finally start putting out a little bit of what you've put in (granted, not much, and possibly never so much as a pig). The only thing to respect about infants is actually something tied to their caregivers (that they hold value in the infant enough to raise the infant). You can always eat the pig

[thesummerqueen]

Btw, I mentioned somewhere before that I was reading "Catching Fire: How Cooking Made Us Human" - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0465020...WTJ39MRHZ3

It has some interesting information about the raw food movement and how we metabolize the food we eat - both animal and vegetable. The language isn't as dry as you might expect and I've been moving through it pretty quickly. Now that I've gotten about halfway through I can honestly say that anyone interested in veganism (or being a raw foodie) might find some merit in it.

[parrotpirate]

Look at where your eyes are on your head. Now find those pointy canine teeth. The human body evolved to hunt, kill and eat meat. (Just watch our cousins the chimps and bonobos in the wild!)