Is atheism a belief?

[The Valkyrie]

No he/she does not realize that. He/she thinks that somehow, his/her arguments are new and novel and unique.

Back in the real world everyone else is rolling their eyes and going "Not this shit again"

Arguments to what.

Some of yas just so used to arguing theists yas just reject everything I say. Even wen we agree.

All I'm saying is that

ATHEISM IS A RESPONSE/REJECTION TO A CLAIM OF GOD

Yall should b in agreemet but some of yas will still cry and reject this I bet. The homogenous nature means u can never satisfy everyone

"Gods" and all supernatural claims associated with them.

[Agnostico]

The reason why we may have a knee jerk reaction to some of the things you say, even if we agree, is because you have not proven yourself to be the most intellectually honest person we've encountered

Please give me an example of when i have been dishonest? Show me when and were iv lied and i will happily address it.

People disagreeing with me even when they actually agree. Hmmm, perhaps those people are the most dishonest u have encountered.
People claiming to know for sure if there is or isn't a God. I would have thought these people would have been the most dishonest. Apparently not.

[The Grand Nudger]

Or maybe you have as loose a grasp on what comes out of your own mouth as you do with the contents of the responses it gets?

That's an interesting idea, though. Why would you think that people claiming to know for sure would be the most dishonest, dishonest about what, and in comparison to what? Wouldn't it be more likely that they were no more or less dishonest than anyone else, compared to whatever else?

[Agnostico]

Bolga u just disagree with everything. Even when u agree u disagree. U said atheism came before religion.
Well I suggested that  in another thread. And u strongly disagreed, wouldn't even consider it. U more than dishonest, ur a hypocrite Bolga.

But Simon Moon, seeing u say im the most dishonest person uv come across, show me where I have been dishonest.
Or anyone else, give me a specific example of when I was dishonest and about what...
Can anyone honestly do that... Anyone at all???

And again to the the ones saying they've heard this argument before, i wasn't arguing against anything.
I was only establishing that atheism is a response to the claim of Gods. What did u think I was arguing???

I find direct questions like this get avoided a lot.
People preffer when I write a lot so they can pull bits out of context but asked direct confronting questions people are affraid.
When I asked people what they thought the probibility was of there being some kind of creator only one of yas had the balls to answer it. ONE...PFFT

So my two questions
When was I dishonest and about what?
What did some of u guys think I was arguing against wen i said atheism is a reaction to religion?

[Agnostico]

This is exactly what Im taking about. If ur gonna accuse me of something then provide evidence otherwise u guys just look like such dishonest people.

I haven't lied about anything, nor am i a theologian. U guys just look so untrustworth with that type of crap.
The lies, the deceit, the accusations. the hostile responses, the hypocracy, all of it makes this whole movement look weak.
It's more of a hate movement against religion or anyone who questions them with a skeptical overtone...

The real dishonest people are in here. They need to grow up and think for themselves instead of allowing religion to dictate their opinions

[Bucky Ball]

ATHEISM IS A RESPONSE/REJECTION TO A CLAIM OF GOD

Nope. Wrong yet again. Atheism is a statement of existential condition. 
A description of the absence of theism ... and the ENTIRE set of nonsense represented by that word.
The condition described (no gods) exits as factual with or without theism.
Someone who never heard about the gods, and has no beliefs or opinions with respect to them, is (still) an a-theist. No theism.
YOUR god claims do not warrant a response/rejection and have nothing to do with another's position.

[fredd bear]

"Nope. Wrong yet again. Atheism is a statement of existential condition. "

Not sure you mean. Be most interested in your understanding of your claim. I've mad a bet with myself about which philosopher's name You'll drop. Interested to see how right or wrong I am.if

Your signature claim, unsupported by evidence may simply be dismissed as opinion

"A description of the absence of theism ... and the ENTIRE set of nonsense represented by that word."

THAT my friend is an ad hominem attack , not an argument. Again ,to be dismissed due to lack of evidence.

Let me get this straight: we have never met, yet based on my self description of being an agnostic atheist, you have my philosophical life position all worked out?

Interesting.

[Abaddon_ire]

This is exactly what Im taking about. If ur gonna accuse me of something then provide evidence otherwise u guys just look like such dishonest people.

You have not been accused of anything in this thread that you have not actually exhibited in this thread.

Don't want the accusations? Don't exhibit those properties/behaviours. Surely you can work that out, no?

I haven't lied about anything,

Wanna bet?

nor am i a theologian.[

I agree. You just play one on the internet.

U guys just look so untrustworth with that type of crap.

We would if we couldn't back it up.

The lies, the deceit, the accusations. the hostile responses, the hypocracy, all of it makes this whole movement look weak.

The arrogant hypocrisy of wading in telling us exactly what we all believe and even think paints you as an internet crank. There is one other group who do exactly that. Christian presuppositionalists. Are you throwing your lot in with them? Because so far, you appear to be.

It's more of a hate movement against religion or anyone who questions them with a skeptical overtone...

Awwww. Poor you.

Face it. If your crackpot ideas are so fragile that a critical response causes them to fall over so easily, they must not be very robust. So fragile, in fact, that all you could do is play the victim card. Remember, the truth needs no defense. Your ideas cannot even manage to mount one.

The real dishonest people are in here. They need to grow up and think for themselves instead of allowing religion to dictate their opinions

And there's another lie. One that has been pointed out to you so many times that this can only be absolute dishonesty on your part. Do I need to point this out again? Are you really that stupid? Apparently so. Atheists share one single thing in common. They have no belief in any god. Atheists disagree on most everything else.

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This is exactly what Im taking about. If ur gonna accuse me of something then provide evidence otherwise u guys just look like such dishonest people.

You have not been accused of anything in this thread that you have not actually exhibited in this thread.

Don't want the accusations? Don't exhibit those properties/behaviours. Surely you can work that out, no?

I haven't lied about anything,

Wanna bet?

nor am i a theologian.[

I agree. You just play one on the internet.

U guys just look so untrustworth with that type of crap.

We would if we couldn't back it up.

The lies, the deceit, the accusations. the hostile responses, the hypocracy, all of it makes this whole movement look weak.

The arrogant hypocrisy of wading in telling us exactly what we all believe and even think paints you as an internet crank. There is one other group who do exactly that. Christian presuppositionalists. Are you throwing your lot in with them? Because so far, you appear to be.

It's more of a hate movement against religion or anyone who questions them with a skeptical overtone...

Awwww. Poor you.

Face it. If your crackpot ideas are so fragile that a critical response causes them to fall over so easily, they must not be very robust. So fragile, in fact, that all you could do is play the victim card. Remember, the truth needs no defense. Your ideas cannot even manage to mount one.

The real dishonest people are in here. They need to grow up and think for themselves instead of allowing religion to dictate their opinions

And there's another lie. One that has been pointed out to you so many times that this can only be absolute dishonesty on your part. Do I need to point this out again? Are you really that stupid? Apparently so. Atheists share one single thing in common. They have no belief in any god. Atheists disagree on most everything else.

[Bucky Ball]

Not sure you mean. Be most interested in your understanding of your claim. I've mad a bet with myself about which philosopher's name You'll drop. Interested to see how right or wrong I am.if

Not gonna drop any names. It came from my own head. Atheism describes a state in which there are no gods, and no consideration they might even be correct or possible. Theism is dismissed as incoherent. IF you have a coherent definition of a *god* present it here, now. 

Your signature claim, unsupported by evidence may simply be dismissed as opinion. 

Wrong again. You can take it up with Joseph Campbell. If you are claiming one religion has more truth value than another, it's your job to establish that. 

THAT my friend is an ad hominem attack , not an argument.  Again ,to be dismissed due to lack of evidence."

1. I am not your friend, Smilin' Jack. 
2. Actually it is not an ad hominem attack. Is is an insult, but it is not what, in Logic, is called an ad hominem. 
If you knew any Latin or had an education, you would know that an ad hominem attack is a PERSONAL attack on SOMEONE. 

Let me get this straight: we have never met, yet based on my self description of being an agnostic atheist,  you have my philosophical life position all worked out?

Red herring, and strawman fallacies. Nice try there sport. Did I say that ? LOL
Not my problem if you waste your time entertaining incoherent concepts.

[Simon Moon]

This is exactly what Im taking about. If ur gonna accuse me of something then provide evidence otherwise u guys just look like such dishonest people.

I haven't lied about anything, nor am i a theologian. U guys just look so untrustworth with that type of crap.
The lies, the deceit, the accusations. the hostile responses, the hypocracy, all of it makes this whole movement look weak.
It's more of a hate movement against religion or anyone who questions them with a skeptical overtone...

The real dishonest people are in here. They need to grow up and think for themselves instead of allowing religion to dictate their opinions

I never said you lied. I said you've been intellectually dishonest. There's a difference.

Here is a possible* example of your intellectual dishonesty.

You said the following about 9 pages into this thread:

And to think how many blind people are being pushed into atheism like this... Its deceiving to suggest u can't be agnostic without some kind of belief based label attached to it... Its a GIGANTIC fallacy and the more people try to define my position as atheist the more suspicious this all looks.

The reason why this may be an example of your intellectual dishonesty, is because you have been correcte multiple times up to this post of yours, explaining to you the differences between positions of belief and knowledge. And how atheism/theism are positions about disbelief/belief, and agnosticism/gnosticism are positions about what one does not claim to know, or does claim to know.

They are not answers to the same question. If someone asks you if you believe a god(s) exist, and you answer, "I do not know, I am agnostic", you did not answered their question.

Belief is defined by cognitive scientists and philosophers, as the mental state in which one accepts a premise or proposition to be true, or likely true.

Belief is a binary mental state. Either one accepts the proposition that a god exists, or they do not accept that proposition. There is no happy middle ground between belief and disbelief. If you think there is, and that's how you define your agnosticism, then you are using the colloquial definition, not the formal one.

One can be an agnostic atheist - does not claim to know, with absolute certainty, that gods do not exist, but disbelieve they do exist.

Or one can be an agnostic theist - do not claim to know, with absolute certainty, that gods do exist, but believe they do exist.

Or one can be a gnostic atheist - claim to know that gods do not exist, and therefore, disbelieve they do exist.

Or one can be a gnostic theist - claim to know, with absolute certainty, that gods do exist, and therefore, believe they do.

So, Agnostico, please display your intellectual honesty. Please answer the following question:

Do you accept the proposition, as being true (or likely true), that a god exists? I'm not asking whether you know, with absolute certainty, that a god exists, only if you believe it to be true.

* I say possible, because you may have corrected your misunderstandings of agnosticism and atheism since page 9, in which case, this would not be an example of intellectual dishonesty. One of the main demonstrations of someone who is intellectually honest, is someone admitting they are wrong, and correcting their mistaken thinking. Intellectually honest people are extremely happy when they are corrected, because it is a chance to eliminate an untrue belief, and gain a true belief.